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<blockquote data-quote="innerdude" data-source="post: 5861430" data-attributes="member: 85870">One thing I'm noticing about this thread, repeatedly, is just how often when the dedicated 4e players are talking about its rules, I feel like we're not even referring to the same game. All of the discussions about A/E/D/U, the endless references to &quot;powers,&quot; both by the power's name (Eagle's Clawing Bow Twin-Chain Greasy Strike) and their effects (2W + your enemy has to dance the Macarena until save), &quot;NADs&quot; (non-armor defenses), weapon implement rules, healing surges.....The similarities are still there; it's not like attack bonus, AC, and hit points are going anywhere, but it is enough to sometimes make discussion about the 4e system . . . foreign to me, somehow. It may sound trivial on the surface (maybe it is), but I actually hope the 5N/e designers can find ways to make the terminologies used in the system consistent and inclusive, while leaving room for innovation. Again, kind of a random thought . . . just throwing it out there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="innerdude, post: 5861430, member: 85870"] One thing I'm noticing about this thread, repeatedly, is just how often when the dedicated 4e players are talking about its rules, I feel like we're not even referring to the same game. All of the discussions about A/E/D/U, the endless references to "powers," both by the power's name (Eagle's Clawing Bow Twin-Chain Greasy Strike) and their effects (2W + your enemy has to dance the Macarena until save), "NADs" (non-armor defenses), weapon implement rules, healing surges..... The similarities are still [I]there[/I]; it's not like attack bonus, AC, and hit points are going anywhere, but it is enough to sometimes make discussion about the 4e system . . . foreign to me, somehow. It may sound trivial on the surface (maybe it is), but I actually hope the 5N/e designers can find ways to make the terminologies used in the system consistent and inclusive, while leaving room for innovation. Again, kind of a random thought . . . just throwing it out there. [/QUOTE]

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