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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5770577" data-attributes="member: 19675">No, it doesn't answer my question at all.Again, numerous people express dissatisfaction with D&amp;D, and when shown other options, they bolt.Yet there are also people who express vitriol vs Vancian casting that rises to the level or wanting it completely eradicated from the game...and they continued to play.&nbsp; That isn't my characterization- that is what some in the other thread are actually stating.Each class of dissatisfied players had &quot;all the other options&quot;, yet the most dissatisfied seem to be the most determined to keep playing D&amp;D instead of games that, presumably, they would enjoy more.I'm trying to figure out the difference between the mildly dissatisfied abandoners of D&amp;D and those with a deep loathing for an element yet hang on.&nbsp; What was it that made those players &quot;beat their heads against the wall&quot; until the wall fell?Was it that the former group was &quot;meh&quot; about D&amp;D while the latter was more passionately pro-D&amp;D?&nbsp; If not that, then what?&nbsp; Did they think that D&amp;D was so much more superior to other FRPG's even with the element they despised?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5770577, member: 19675"] No, it doesn't answer my question at all. Again, numerous people express dissatisfaction with D&D, and when shown other options, they bolt. Yet there are also people who express vitriol vs Vancian casting that rises to the level or wanting it completely eradicated from the game...and they continued to play. That isn't my characterization- that is what some in the other thread are actually stating. Each class of dissatisfied players had "all the other options", yet the most dissatisfied seem to be the most determined to keep playing D&D instead of games that, presumably, they would enjoy more. I'm trying to figure out the difference between the mildly dissatisfied abandoners of D&D and those with a deep loathing for an element yet hang on. What was it that made those players "beat their heads against the wall" until the wall fell? Was it that the former group was "meh" about D&D while the latter was more passionately pro-D&D? If not that, then what? Did they think that D&D was so much more superior to other FRPG's even with the element they despised? [/QUOTE]

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