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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 5770631" data-attributes="member: 2804"><p>For me I love D&D. I have been playing since 1e over 20 years ago. I love its general feel (especially 4e which is my preferred edition), but I dislike the concept of an X per day resource. Yes, even 4e dailies annoy me.</p><p></p><p>And Vancian casting is the ultimate expression of a resource being balanced by only being available X times a day. I hate it. Its like nothing else in fantasy literature except D&D literature or Jack Vance's works. And its not even like his really.</p><p></p><p>That said, I don't think it needs to be gone. But it should be optional. I think there needs to be caster classes that have magical abilities or spells that aren't on a per day refresh schedule. That can be used at-will or at least more frequently than x/day. Wizards and casters should never run out of magic, or be forced to resort to crossbows, IMO.</p><p></p><p>People talk about the sense of wonder that magic should have, but I find a wizard pulling out a crossbow, or managing his spell slots, or counting the charges in his wand, to be the utter antithesis of that sense of wonder.</p><p></p><p>It also causes play and balance issues, IMO. Either you memorized all the spells you need for any given situation and are unstoppable, or you didn't and you are irrelevant or useless. Way too binary.</p><p></p><p>So no, I'm not a fan. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dragonblade, post: 5770631, member: 2804"] For me I love D&D. I have been playing since 1e over 20 years ago. I love its general feel (especially 4e which is my preferred edition), but I dislike the concept of an X per day resource. Yes, even 4e dailies annoy me. And Vancian casting is the ultimate expression of a resource being balanced by only being available X times a day. I hate it. Its like nothing else in fantasy literature except D&D literature or Jack Vance's works. And its not even like his really. That said, I don't think it needs to be gone. But it should be optional. I think there needs to be caster classes that have magical abilities or spells that aren't on a per day refresh schedule. That can be used at-will or at least more frequently than x/day. Wizards and casters should never run out of magic, or be forced to resort to crossbows, IMO. People talk about the sense of wonder that magic should have, but I find a wizard pulling out a crossbow, or managing his spell slots, or counting the charges in his wand, to be the utter antithesis of that sense of wonder. It also causes play and balance issues, IMO. Either you memorized all the spells you need for any given situation and are unstoppable, or you didn't and you are irrelevant or useless. Way too binary. So no, I'm not a fan. :) [/QUOTE]
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