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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5771076" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think the answer to your question is:HYPERBOLEThey don't actually "utterly loathe" it.  They just have to say it that way to make their point seem more important.  Just like almost every other person who complains about things here.  Every problem comes across as the biggest travesty to the game and the industry we've ever seen... because that's the only way they can feel like they can get their point across without getting lost in the morass of a thread.And in actuality... the people who don't like Vancian magic are no different than the people who don't like Feat Taxes or Healing Surges.  No different at all.  It's all just personal opinion of what makes a good D&D game for them.</blockquote>