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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercutio01" data-source="post: 5773114" data-attributes="member: 37277">A) What's with the hostility? Totally uncalled for.B) I just finished, literally yesterday, reading "Eyes of the Overworld" which followed from "Tales of a Dying Earth."What I described seems very much Vancian. Now, that may not be D&D's take on Vance, so I can see where your disagreement comes from, but it was stated that no fiction now adheres to the Vancian system. The system you just described isn't actually Vance's magic system.Incidentally, many of Dresden's spells are expended upon casting. Except for the very common ones of "Fuego" and "Forzare" just about everything else he casts is cast once and then not again. I'd say that the spell fatigue is in addition to the Vancian system.C) One of the most common anti-Vance positions is that wizards shouldn't resort to mundane weapons when out of magic. By referencing Harry's pistol (and shotgun, and some other weapons he has), I was pointing out that there is, in fact, fiction that does support wizards using mundane weapons when magic is either undesirable or unavailable. That doesn't make him "Vancian," you are correct, but I do believe it answers the concern. Now, it doesn't solve the problem for people who don't like that, and that becomes personal taste. I won't call out taste as being bad or good. I was merely stating there there are wizards in popular fiction who run out of magic and resort to mundane weapons.EDIT - I'm not looking to pick a fight. I was answering the call for fiction that emulates Vance. I happen to think Dresden does emulate Vance, including the memorizing of spells that may or may not be used, and once used are unavailable again without preparation. Obviously you don't think that counts.</blockquote>

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