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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5780633" data-attributes="member: 4937">???I'm not in a position to speculate on what percentage of the crowd was actually cheering, what their motives were, or whether they suffered buyers remorse.  I wouldn't have been surprised in 2007 if they announced classes were out, hit points were out, armor class was out, and saving throws were and they probably also would have gotten cheers.  I remember the timbre of the boards about that time.  There were a lot here that wanted D&D kicked to the curb entirely and replaced with an indy inspired nar system, and others that wanted an ultra rules light frame work.  And virtually everyone was absolutely certain that what was under the wrapping paper was going to be exactly the pony they wanted.  I got a three day ban for being overly negative after suggesting that it might not be an indy nar system they were making and the whole skill challenge system didn't seem to me like it was going to work out.  No body wanted to hear a negative assessment back then.And, given the dynamics of crowds, they probably would have gotten cheers for most any assertion that they made.  History however judges how it worked out, with a new edition under production less than 4 years after the launch, groundswell not just for 3e inspired games but older editions, endless complaints about the lack of flexibility 4e Wizards have, and prior attempts to patch Vancian back into the system to apologize to the fan base they offended.Among other things, that bold text was emphasis added by someone else.  And its perfectly valid to like or not like something even though you can't explain why, but it isn't very informative.  And note, "valid" is not my word in that section.  That's something you added.  My word was "explanatory".  I don't know what you consider to be engaging in discussion, but I've got to tell you that I consider misquoting and twisting other peoples words to try put them in as negative light as possible to not be engaging in discussion.</blockquote>

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