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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5783908" data-attributes="member: 87792">This is something you claim and that as far as I can tell no one else agrees with.&nbsp; It's not even close to simulationist for anything that bears any resemblance to the works of Jack Vance.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;By the time that a wizard has dozens of spells, he fears not a housecat in melee combat even without his spells. Besides which, the 'housecat problem' is a specific problem with hit dice based systems that is completely unrelated to whatever magic system we adopt and has separate solutions. So this is a total red herring.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'll concede the point that Paksenarrion is a piece of D&amp;D fiction as a reaction to bad paladins.&nbsp; And then point out that this makes it an exception that quite literally proves the rule.&nbsp; (I've never played Hommlet so missed that one).&nbsp; Paksenarrion was quite literally written with D&amp;D books as research making it another demonstration that the stories that resemble the D&amp;D rules are ... stories that use D&amp;D rules as the underlying basis.&nbsp;&nbsp;Reported.&nbsp;&nbsp;It would do if &quot;Vancian&quot; casting had anything to do with the works of Jack Vance except taking one fraction of the work very much out of context.&nbsp; A Vancian wizard can count the number of spells he has at any one time on his fingers.&nbsp; And the number he casts in a story on the fingers of one hand.&nbsp; A D&amp;D wizard with that few spells is in imminent danger from a housecat.&nbsp;&quot;Vancian&quot; magic doesn't just mean rationed.&nbsp; As far as I know, no one calls spell point systems Vancian.&nbsp; It's fire and forget that's the critical aspect of Vancian magic.&nbsp; And the ability to completely reload your spells in a way that you can say &quot;Today I'm an Evoker.&nbsp; Tomorrow I think I'll be an illusionist.&quot;&nbsp;Jack Vance's heroes are much more generally competent and consistent at the core and with a few stand out spells they need to decide on in advance.&nbsp; AEDU with the D being changed to Vancian preparation would be a superb match.&nbsp; Everything being Vancian for a class takes it a long way from Jack Vance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5783908, member: 87792"] This is something you claim and that as far as I can tell [I]no one else[/I] agrees with. It's not even close to simulationist for anything that bears any resemblance to the works of Jack Vance. By the time that a wizard has dozens of spells, he fears not a housecat in melee combat even without his spells. Besides which, the 'housecat problem' is a specific problem with hit dice based systems that is completely unrelated to whatever magic system we adopt and has separate solutions. So this is a total red herring. I'll concede the point that Paksenarrion is a piece of D&D fiction as a reaction to bad paladins. And then point out that this makes it an exception that quite literally proves the rule. (I've never played Hommlet so missed that one). Paksenarrion was quite literally written with D&D books as research making it another demonstration that the stories that resemble the D&D rules are ... stories that use D&D rules as the underlying basis. Reported. It would do [I]if "Vancian" casting had anything to do with the works of Jack Vance except taking one fraction of the work very much out of context.[/I] A Vancian wizard can count the number of spells he has at any one time on his fingers. And the number he casts in a story [I]on the fingers of one hand[/I]. A D&D wizard with that few spells is in imminent danger from a housecat. "Vancian" magic doesn't just mean rationed. As far as I know, [I]no one[/I] calls spell point systems Vancian. It's fire [I]and forget [/I]that's the critical aspect of Vancian magic. And the ability to completely reload your spells in a way that you can say "Today I'm an Evoker. Tomorrow I think I'll be an illusionist." Jack Vance's heroes are much more generally competent and consistent at the core and with a few stand out spells they need to decide on in advance. AEDU with the D being changed to Vancian preparation would be a superb match. Everything being Vancian for a class takes it a long way from Jack Vance. [/QUOTE]

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