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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9604083" data-attributes="member: 23751">This is 3e lore.  This lore comes from 2e at the least.  Not sure if 1e said it anywhere."Those souls from the Material Plane that are not simply absorbed into the structure of the Abyss become petitioners called manes."So the demons known as Manes were mortals once.  Promotions come from the manes up to the next step.  And those from the next step sometimes get promoted an additional step. And so on all the way up to balor.  So mariliths were once mortals.Devils have a similar process from mortal to lemure and then all the way up to pit fiend.I don't think 4e is really the edition to be relying on when it comes to lore.  Every time I look up lore for a creature, it's so sparse that it seem that edition flipped the bird at lore in general.5e says..."Other demons (such as manes) are created from mortal souls shunned or cursed by the gods, or which are otherwise trapped in the Abyss."And..."A demon might spawn as a manes, then become a dretch, and eventually transform to a vrock after untold time spent fighting and surviving in the Abyss. Such elevations are rare, however, for most demons are destroyed before they attain significant power. The greatest of those that do survive make up the ranks of the demon lords that threaten to tear the Abyss apart with their endless warring."So 5e retained the lore from 2e(possibly 1e) and 3e.  I'm not sure what 5.5e says.</blockquote>

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