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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 9606566" data-attributes="member: 18182">Oh, I'm definitely missing part of the conversation due to the ignore feature . . .I guess what I'm trying to get at here . . .Embracing the new direction of WotC's lore and art direction with the marilith, medusa, hag, etc is a separate issue . . . for me at least . . . than whether demons (and devils, angels, etc) can/should be gendered creatures or creatures with physiological characteristics. And how that has been represented in D&amp;D lore over time.And, of course, I might not be fully understanding some of your arguments. But, I can agree with part of your viewpoints and disagree with other parts!I don't think all demons must have gender . . . but I also think that demons can and do have gender, as depicted in D&amp;D lore in the past. Not so much demon types locked into specific genders, but simply demons being capable of being gendered beings with all that implies. I support the idea of expanding the gender diversity of monsters, but that doesn't mean gender doesn't matter or exist for demons or other creatures.And . . . (I'm being silly here) all vrocks are male? Was that ever a canon thing? I've always envisioned vrocks as having both genders but . . . how would you even know? If bird demons follow real world bird gender differences, wouldn't all drab, gray vrocks be female? And any male vrocks have brightly colored, flamboyant plumage?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 9606566, member: 18182"] Oh, I'm definitely missing part of the conversation due to the ignore feature . . . I guess what I'm trying to get at here . . . Embracing the new direction of WotC's lore and art direction with the marilith, medusa, hag, etc is a separate issue . . . for me at least . . . than whether demons (and devils, angels, etc) can/should be gendered creatures or creatures with physiological characteristics. And how that has been represented in D&D lore over time. And, of course, I might not be fully understanding some of your arguments. But, I can agree with part of your viewpoints and disagree with other parts! I don't think all demons [I]must[/I] have gender . . . but I also think that demons can and do have gender, as depicted in D&D lore in the past. Not so much demon types locked into specific genders, but simply demons being capable of being gendered beings with all that implies. I support the idea of expanding the gender diversity of monsters, but that doesn't mean gender doesn't matter or exist for demons or other creatures. [I]And . . . (I'm being silly here) all vrocks are male? Was that ever a canon thing? I've always envisioned vrocks as having both genders but . . . how would you even know? If bird demons follow real world bird gender differences, wouldn't all drab, gray vrocks be female? And any male vrocks have brightly colored, flamboyant plumage?[/I] [/QUOTE]

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