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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 9607839" data-attributes="member: 18182">You ask for examples and citations and then dismiss the examples and citations others have provided because, somehow in your view, Planescape shouldn't count and folks who disagree with your view are "cherry-picking". YOU are cherry-picking by trying to tell us what lore counts and what doesn't in this discussion. Sigh.This is a discussion about how lore and art have changed between editions, from what came before to the new 2024 revision. For folks to bring up how various creatures have been depicted throughout the history of D&D is very relevant.People are giving you FACTS about how the marilith and other creatures have been depicted over time. Some of them are USING those facts to argue against your point-of-view, others are just presenting the facts because . . . well, we're nerds and we like doing that sort of thing.The marilith and other creatures, in past versions of D&D, have been mono-gendered. Demons have been described in many ways over the years, and have been described as having gendered, sexual, and physiological characteristics and needs. All facts. Whether you like them or not, whether they came from Planescape or one of the many versions of the D&D core rules.If ultimately, after just accepting the facts of D&D lore over the years, you decide demons having physiological needs is dumb, regardless if it exists in past lore . . . GREAT. I don't think anybody has a problem with that.You and I both agree that mariliths and other creatures now having multiple genders is a good change. Others don't. Nobody is changing their minds at this point.</blockquote>

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