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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kesh" data-source="post: 4215875" data-attributes="member: 1308">Um, that door swings both ways. Some are pushing for guideline changes to narrow them, while others try to widen them. And (aside from one guy) there's really no "anti-D&D" group. Really, the whole policy on articles about fictional works is being debated right now, which applies to everything from Pokemon to Harry Potter to D&D.The trick is, you want an article to have good information. You can find out if the information is good by following its sources. If there aren't any sources, you have to go digging for them yourself, or take the article's word for it. Which do you think 90% of the readership is going to do?In those situations, unsourced information should be removed when you can't find an independent source for it… but quite often, that leaves you with "X exists." as the entirety of the article.Fansites are pretty much flatly discarded. Anybody can make a fansite or forum for a topic, but that doesn't show notability outside of the fandom.You seem to have some hard feelings against deletionists. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />They typically aren't "automatically deleted." Usually they get deleted after spending months with those tags on them. And I flatly disagree: a bad article is worse than no article, because it is providing faulty or incomplete information to the reader.… really. You have some issues here. "Edit(ing) articles at gunpoint"? No one is forcing anything, and certainly not coming to your home with a gun. I know it's upsetting to have an article deleted, but seriously.Who's soapboxing now?This is true of any subject.There doesn't need to be "save this article wars". If an article gets deleted, that just means a new article has to be written: one that's stronger and adheres to Wikipedia's policies. I've seen bad articles get deleted three or four times, then someone comes along and writes a good version that sticks. There's no deadline to writing an article.Not in the least. Deletionists and inclusionists are both necessary to keep Wikipedia in balance. Without the deletionists, the project would be overrun with spam, high school garage bands, and libellous "biographies."snippage, some good points about Spelljammer WikiThis is really what I've been pushing for, but no one seems willing to do it. I mean, there's <a href="http://memory-alpha.org" target="_blank">a Star Trek wiki</a>, <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com" target="_blank">a Star Wars wiki</a>, <a href="http://www.wowwiki.com/" target="_blank">a World of Warcraft wiki</a>… even a <a href="http://furry.wikia.com" target="_blank">furry wiki</a>. If we could get folks together to concentrate on a single D&D focused wiki, it'd be much more productive than all the Wikipedia drama.</blockquote>

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