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<blockquote data-quote="Stoat" data-source="post: 5376827" data-attributes="member: 16786">The third edition designers obviously placed value on the Monk's ability to attack and defend himself without weapons and armor.&nbsp; Witness the fact that the Amulet of Mighty Fists costs significantly more than an equivalent +X weapon.&nbsp; IMO, they overvalued whatever advantage the Monk gets from his ability to go without weapons.&nbsp; At higher levels, melee classes need that +X to hit.&nbsp; It's tough for the Monk to get his attack bonus where it needs to be.Add that to the Monk's MAD problems, the Monk's medium BAB, the incompatibility between the Monk's high speed and Flurry of Blows, the difficulty the Monk has in pushing up the save DC for his Stunning First and Quivering Palm, and you get a recipe for mediocrity.Further, at least in my experience, players want the Monk to be something it is not.&nbsp; Players in my game who have wanted to play Monks expected a Bruce Lee style asskicker.&nbsp; That's not what the 3.X Monk is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stoat, post: 5376827, member: 16786"] The third edition designers obviously placed value on the Monk's ability to attack and defend himself without weapons and armor. Witness the fact that the Amulet of Mighty Fists costs significantly more than an equivalent +X weapon. IMO, they overvalued whatever advantage the Monk gets from his ability to go without weapons. At higher levels, melee classes need that +X to hit. It's tough for the Monk to get his attack bonus where it needs to be. Add that to the Monk's MAD problems, the Monk's medium BAB, the incompatibility between the Monk's high speed and Flurry of Blows, the difficulty the Monk has in pushing up the save DC for his Stunning First and Quivering Palm, and you get a recipe for mediocrity. Further, at least in my experience, players want the Monk to be something it is not. Players in my game who have wanted to play Monks expected a Bruce Lee style asskicker. That's not what the 3.X Monk is. [/QUOTE]

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