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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 9536283" data-attributes="member: 1210"><p>Some posters keep conflating lore with metaplot. They're not the same, not at all. Metaplot is something like "This world-shaking cataclysm happens to campaign world X! Now everything is different!!1!!" It needn't be that extreme, but it's an event or events that future products assume happened and often build around- see, for instance, the Time of Troubles in the FR, or the Greyhawk Wars.</p><p></p><p>Lore is just that- background information that expands on a subject in the game. See, for instance, the Ecology of... articles in Dragon Magazine back in the day.</p><p></p><p>Expanding on existing lore is fine by me. Adding the Blood War to demon lore is a good example of this- it didn't overwrite or contradict anything that came before, it just built on top of it. Sure, back in early 1e, demons were just random CE monsters from the Abyss. The Blood War didn't change that. It just added lore on top of it- there was a cosmic conflict that they were a part of <em>in addition to </em>them being random CE monsters from the Abyss.</p><p></p><p>Revising lore in a way that overwrites it is something that converges on being metaplot. It changes things in a way that affects home games. <em>That's </em>what I object to. Expand, elaborate, good! Overwrite, retcon, bad.</p><p></p><p>And of course you can ignore those changes. I am perfectly aware of that. And in some cases it's as easy as saying, "I'm ignoring this creature's Type; it's a Humanoid, not a Fey, in my game." But in other cases, it can be a lot trickier, and it can lead to the DM having to carry both the 2014 and the 2024 MMs to have the versions of the monsters that they want. Honestly, I already sort of feel this way with MMM and the two monster books it replaces; it doesn't actually have all the stat blocks from those books, and while I generally prefer the MMM versions, there are exceptions where the updated version really doesn't do it for me like the older version did.</p><p></p><p>I don't really want to carry around five monster books to have the contents of two monster books.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, carry on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 9536283, member: 1210"] Some posters keep conflating lore with metaplot. They're not the same, not at all. Metaplot is something like "This world-shaking cataclysm happens to campaign world X! Now everything is different!!1!!" It needn't be that extreme, but it's an event or events that future products assume happened and often build around- see, for instance, the Time of Troubles in the FR, or the Greyhawk Wars. Lore is just that- background information that expands on a subject in the game. See, for instance, the Ecology of... articles in Dragon Magazine back in the day. Expanding on existing lore is fine by me. Adding the Blood War to demon lore is a good example of this- it didn't overwrite or contradict anything that came before, it just built on top of it. Sure, back in early 1e, demons were just random CE monsters from the Abyss. The Blood War didn't change that. It just added lore on top of it- there was a cosmic conflict that they were a part of [I]in addition to [/I]them being random CE monsters from the Abyss. Revising lore in a way that overwrites it is something that converges on being metaplot. It changes things in a way that affects home games. [I]That's [/I]what I object to. Expand, elaborate, good! Overwrite, retcon, bad. And of course you can ignore those changes. I am perfectly aware of that. And in some cases it's as easy as saying, "I'm ignoring this creature's Type; it's a Humanoid, not a Fey, in my game." But in other cases, it can be a lot trickier, and it can lead to the DM having to carry both the 2014 and the 2024 MMs to have the versions of the monsters that they want. Honestly, I already sort of feel this way with MMM and the two monster books it replaces; it doesn't actually have all the stat blocks from those books, and while I generally prefer the MMM versions, there are exceptions where the updated version really doesn't do it for me like the older version did. I don't really want to carry around five monster books to have the contents of two monster books. Anyway, carry on. [/QUOTE]
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