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<blockquote data-quote="see" data-source="post: 8327725" data-attributes="member: 10531">Actually, no, they weren't draconic out of the gate in 3rd edition. What 3rd edition did was:1) Actually exercise discipline over the art. There was a lot of variants in how artists did kobolds over the years, which spawned a lot of confusion. But the text descriptions in the monster books (like the 2e Monstrous Compendium Volume 1) gave them &quot;dog-like&quot; heads and scaly bodies. Compare the canonical 1e MM image and the canonical 3e MM image, and tell me how much changed other than art style?[ATTACH=full]139674[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]139673[/ATTACH]2) Make kobolds speak Draconic&nbsp; . . . but that was a universal change for all reptilian beings in 3e, including lizardfolk and troglodytes, not an indication that kobolds were especially dragon-like.The conversion of kobolds from small lizard-people (which 3rd edition did set in stone, ending the era of confusion) into small dragons occurred gradually over 3.x, between the influences of Meepo in the Sunless Citadel, the statement that kobold sorcerers were particularly vehement advocates of the theory that sorcerers bore the blood of dragons, and the fact that the lizard-person niche was largely filled by the lizardfolk. But it didn't really become definitive until Races of the Dragon, as can be seen by the fact that Mongoose's 2003 Slayer's Guide to Kobolds only mentions a relationship to dragons as a theory some people have and others dispute.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="see, post: 8327725, member: 10531"] Actually, no, they weren't draconic out of the gate in 3rd edition. What 3rd edition did was: 1) Actually exercise discipline over the art. There was a lot of variants in how [I]artists[/I] did kobolds over the years, which spawned a lot of confusion. But the text descriptions in the monster books (like the 2e Monstrous Compendium Volume 1) gave them "dog-like" heads and scaly bodies. Compare the canonical 1e MM image and the canonical 3e MM image, and tell me how much changed other than art style? [ATTACH type="full"]139674[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]139673[/ATTACH] 2) Make kobolds speak Draconic . . . but that was a universal change for all reptilian beings in 3e, including lizardfolk and troglodytes, not an indication that kobolds were especially dragon-like. The conversion of kobolds from small lizard-people (which 3rd edition did set in stone, ending the era of confusion) into small dragons occurred gradually over 3.x, between the influences of Meepo in the Sunless Citadel, the statement that kobold sorcerers were particularly vehement advocates of the theory that sorcerers bore the blood of dragons, and the fact that the lizard-person niche was largely filled by the lizardfolk. But it didn't really become definitive until [I]Races of the Dragon[/I], as can be seen by the fact that Mongoose's 2003 [I]Slayer's Guide to Kobolds[/I] only mentions a relationship to dragons as a theory some people have and others dispute. [/QUOTE]

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