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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 4419133" data-attributes="member: 21169">I see the desire for these, and all the other things you asked for, as essentially adolescent. No one is more cynical than teenagers. They distrust authority and the status quo. Products marketed at male teens feature more gore and nudity than those aimed at any other age group. Think slasher movies, low budget B-movies. The protagonists of these films are in their teens. The viewers are in their teens. Think heavy metal. It's all about sex, drugs and worshipping the devil. All the interests of your typical outsider teen - the core audience of D&D.Trends have varied over the years. The cover of the OD&D book, Eldritch Wizardry, is probably the most metüll D&D has ever been. 2e took out the nipples, demons and assassins. 3e brought em back. 4e took away two of the three. So yeah, in terms of trappings, artwork, D&D is in a more family friendly phase right now. Gives it more mass market appeal.In terms of rules, D&D has never been grim n' gritty. There was a supplement by that very name for 3e, available for free download. Or you could go real old school with the Arduin Grimoire critical tables.</blockquote>