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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 4419492" data-attributes="member: 177">Yes to the first, no to the second.  Go take a look in a dictionary, I doubt you'll find "realistic" anywhere in the definition.  Clint Eastwood did gritty westerns, but they aren't particularly realistic.Gritty has a double connotation.  One is if coarse dirt - gritty is not clean, there is no pure whiteness in gritty.  The other is of courage in the face of danger. Realistic is one way to get gritty, but it isn't the only way.  Any time where the way to winning isn't morally pristine, and is dangerous, you can have grit.As many others, I think folks often confuse "adult" with "mature".  Nipples are adult, deep emotion is mature.  Blood and gore are adult, ethical complexity is mature.  Alcohol is adult, drinking responsibly is mature.  You can have adult themes in either a mature or an immature fashion.  For example, the Gor books are adult, but not mature.So, it seems to me that the D&D game rules (3rd or 4th) are quite open to mature play - it is far more a matter of setting and role play style than of rules.</blockquote>