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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5899608" data-attributes="member: 54877">Must spread XP, but I'll extend that thought another notch:  The reason they keep trying to add +1 to this and +2 to that is because they keep reducing things down to a bare d20 roll.  That's why 3E/4E skills are so sterile, and skill challenges have so little purchase mechanically.  (You can narrate into these skills much more, if inclined as I am, but that is something you bring to the system, not something the system brings out in you.)   I guess that could be a "chicken or egg" argument.  It could be that cutting out the interesting options for feats as you have described them has led to reducing things down to a d20 roll.  Or it could be that trying to reduce down to the roll automatically tends to cut out such options.  Maybe by now, the whole thing feeds on itself, and it doesn't matter where it starts.</blockquote>