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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5876979" data-attributes="member: 95493">3 more pages since my last post at 3 am? And they aren't short either. Would it kill you to do a +1 post every once in a while <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />Are you surprised you don't see the designers bashing their previous attempts? I'm not.Let me explain, as someone said upthread: they DID bash 3e when 4e was coming out, saying how 4e was all amazing while 3e was a festering pile.What happened? People who didn't like 4e went on to dislike WotC for telling them their edition sucked.Now, they are trying to make a new edition, one edition to rule them all. In achieving this goal they don't want to alienate anyone or call anything crap. They can identify why something worked or why it didn't and then move on. They can say "X in 4e didn't work" or "Y in 3rd edition didn't work" and say "we have solution Z to solve both problems".It isn't a matter of them NOT calling a foul on previous edition when they have in the past. It is a matter of them realizing they made a mistake and not making it again. Personally I feel that it shows growth that they aren't antagonizing anyone for any reason while going through this process. They are just trying to say that the new edition is being developed in order to suit everyone's tastes, assuming they give it a chance.Wow, there is really nothing more I can say that KM didn't. The fact you missed everything he meant only goes to show why I can't convince you. I'm not even trying to convince you 4e bad, I'm just trying to say that balance in 4e isn't the only thing there.But if this is how you truly feel, that balance is the only thing that makes 4e feel like 4e then I feel sorry for you. That is like saying the only thing that makes DnD feel like DnD is the d20, not the dragons or orcs or elves or magic, nope the d20.I heard, or read, that the game Should be able to support groups as small as 1 on 1 or as big as you need it. Mind you they claimed that was true before and it wasn't (at least not without significant effort).The difference is that the game designers CAN do what they say they want to, and that we don't get a real vote to decide if they keep their jobs.That has two real implications. A it means that if they are lying to us that it is counter productive as we will figure it out and burn them for it. B. It means that they can make utter crap and there is nothing we can do about it, so why lie to us in the first place?This.</blockquote>

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