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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5878342" data-attributes="member: 59506">I didn't make it personal, you did. &nbsp;You made this about you, when you responded to a quote that wasn't about you, in a manner as if it was about you.&nbsp; I'm simply responding to your post which was personally directed to me.&nbsp; And have done so in a civil manner.&nbsp; I've also politely attempted to engage you in an objective and constructive conversation about 5E's design goals, and have you state your ideas for D&amp;D Next, which it seems you have decided to not participate in (as you say in the rest of your post).&nbsp;&nbsp;So basically, the core goals that are absolutely paramount to the next edition, have absolutely no appeal to you.&nbsp; We have the ability to help shape the mechanics of the game, both the base game and modules.&nbsp; But we absolutely are not going to influence the Design Team as to the Core Goals they've established.&nbsp; If those core goals are anathema to you, then the game is anathema to you.&nbsp;Okay, that's fine.&nbsp; Your choice, your opinion, and your right.&nbsp; And I don't have a problem with that.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, this does leave me with a couple of questions then:&nbsp;&nbsp;One: How is that stance not one of already making up your mind to be against it?&nbsp;and Two: What then is your purpose for posting here in the D&amp;D Next Forums?&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm not denying your right to be here.&nbsp; I'm simply asking you why you'd post here if you've already decided you don't like the direction of 5E, and that it's not going to be a game you want to play?<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm&nbsp; &nbsp; :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />&nbsp;Even if it's just lack of enthusiasm (unenthused), what can you possibly hope to accomplish by posting your thoughts about 5E?&nbsp;It obviously can't be to try and affect the direction of the game.&nbsp; One, you've already said you don't care about a game that has the goals that 5E does.&nbsp; Second, you haven't contributed to the process in an objective or constructive manner.&nbsp; And Third, when asked to contribute, you say you don't care to (unless your post above was meant to be your contribution...in which case I'd say the request for objectiveness must have been overlooked).&nbsp;Curiosity could be a motive for reading, but not for posting in the manner you have, so I think that's ruled out also.&nbsp;If it's just to point out to those that are interested in the next edition and want to be a part of shaping it, that you don't like it...then I'd say Congratulations.&nbsp; I'm certain that everybody in this thread has been successfully made aware of your thoughts on 5E.&nbsp;I also can't imagine that it's just to stir up trouble, as that would be something not allowed here at ENWorld, and is just basic impoliteness on forums.&nbsp; Something that I would not expect of you nor accuse you of.&nbsp;Which leaves me completely stymied as to what you're trying to accomplish?&nbsp; I truly am curious to understand, and am sincerely interested in your answer...*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*which of course places no obligation or expectation on you whatsoever to answer.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses&nbsp; &nbsp; B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5878342, member: 59506"] I didn't make it personal, you did. You made this about you, when you responded to a quote that wasn't about you, in a manner as if it was about you. I'm simply responding to your post which was personally directed to me. And have done so in a civil manner. I've also politely attempted to engage you in an objective and constructive conversation about 5E's design goals, and have you state your ideas for D&D Next, which it seems you have decided to not participate in (as you say in the rest of your post). So basically, the core goals that are absolutely paramount to the next edition, have absolutely no appeal to you. We have the ability to help shape the mechanics of the game, both the base game and modules. But we absolutely are not going to influence the Design Team as to the Core Goals they've established. If those core goals are anathema to you, then the game is anathema to you. Okay, that's fine. Your choice, your opinion, and your right. And I don't have a problem with that. But, this does leave me with a couple of questions then: [B][U]One:[/U][/B] How is that stance not one of [I]already making up your mind to be against it[/I]? and [B][U]Two:[/U][/B] What then is your purpose for posting here in the D&D Next Forums? I'm not denying your right to be here. I'm simply asking you why you'd post here if you've already decided you don't like the direction of 5E, and that it's not going to be a game you want to play?:-S Even if it's just [I]lack of enthusiasm[/I] (unenthused), what can you possibly hope to accomplish by posting your thoughts about 5E? It obviously can't be to try and affect the direction of the game. One, you've already said you don't care about a game that has the goals that 5E does. Second, you haven't contributed to the process in an objective or constructive manner. And Third, when asked to contribute, you say you don't care to (unless your post above was meant to be your contribution...in which case I'd say the request for objectiveness must have been overlooked). Curiosity could be a motive for reading, but not for posting in the manner you have, so I think that's ruled out also. If it's just to point out to those that are interested in the next edition and want to be a part of shaping it, that you don't like it...then I'd say Congratulations. I'm certain that everybody in this thread has been successfully made aware of your thoughts on 5E. I also can't imagine that it's just to stir up trouble, as that would be something not allowed here at ENWorld, and is just basic impoliteness on forums. Something that I would not expect of you nor accuse you of. Which leaves me completely stymied as to what you're trying to accomplish? I truly am curious to understand, and am sincerely interested in your answer...* *which of course places no obligation or expectation on you whatsoever to answer. B-) [/QUOTE]

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