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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6292667" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>That's baloney DMZ2112, there are current NEW video game writers direct from RPG writing. I just mentioned Chris Pramas only recently returned from that job, and there are several others if producing a list would actually serve to convince you on this point. The two careers of RPG writer and Video Game RPG Writer have a lot in common, and people go back and forth between those two careers often, and they share similar skill sets and talents. If the plan is for WOTC RPG writers to also write the plots for apps and video games and similar stuff, the evidence from those industries supports their belief that such skills and talents translate well between those things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good is subjective (and yes I liked a lot of it), but successful is more objective. I don't really care if you thought it wasn't good, we have objective data showing success.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of this is just your subjective opinion and frankly meaningless for this sort of debate. A lot of people like those things, and just one of them cancel out your opinion on that topic when we're asking "what helps D&D succeed" as opposed to "what helps D&D please DMZ2112".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No but Marvel movies never would have existed without the original comics either. That doesn't make the comics currently the focus of Marvel however. They already established D&D as a brand - people have a high level of recognition already for the brand and that was the important thing. Now, they can expand the brand to all sorts of things, and they don't need to focus as much on the RPG books, just like Marvel no longer needs to focus as much on the Comic books.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. The movie made a metric crapload of money, and it wasn't because kids could currently buy a plastic toy. Indeed, it made a ton of money from people who had no intention of buying a plastic toy. The existence of the plastic toy in the distant past is what helped with that - and we already have the existence of D&D in the distant past for similar purposes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think we're dealing with the same sort of thing here. Marvel is, fundamentally, in the business of selling episodic story and art, quality notwithstanding.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>They're really not anymore, though that remains part of what they do. Their business is SO much larger than that now, particularly since joining Disney. Mostly, it's a licensing business. You can get anything with Spiderman, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc.. on it now, and they make money on every single one of those things that sell. The movies are great for them, the TV show is nice, but reams of money come in from simply ordinary household products like socks, and straws, and sippy cups, and whatever you can imagine. I have a friend working over at Disney and just the money that will come in from Marvel characters appearing in educational video games sold to foreign nations would stagger your imagination. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not quite how it happened. After the bankruptcy is really when things took off. Before that, the entertainment line was mostly meh. I know, I owned stock way back then and used to research all their stuff (sometime by hand). Their entertainment line was more successful than D&Ds back then, but not by as much as you'd think. Back before the bankruptcy, comic books really did bring in the bulk of the money. They shifted their business focus away from comics and towards the overall brand after the bankruptcy recovery. </p><p></p><p>And that seems to be where D&D is now - shifting the focus from the books to the brand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mistake what I said for claiming the tabletop portion is going away. Much like comic books, it's not going away. It will still be often identified by books. But, the focus of the company seems to be shifting away from the books and towards the brand, similar to the focus of Marvel after the bankruptcy. Their marketing, I think, will be focused more on the brand than on the books. There will be some marketing for the books, just as Marvel still does some marketing for comic books. But, you're going to see a lot more marketing for the brand than before, if they're doing what I think they are doing.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6292667, member: 2525"] That's baloney DMZ2112, there are current NEW video game writers direct from RPG writing. I just mentioned Chris Pramas only recently returned from that job, and there are several others if producing a list would actually serve to convince you on this point. The two careers of RPG writer and Video Game RPG Writer have a lot in common, and people go back and forth between those two careers often, and they share similar skill sets and talents. If the plan is for WOTC RPG writers to also write the plots for apps and video games and similar stuff, the evidence from those industries supports their belief that such skills and talents translate well between those things. Good is subjective (and yes I liked a lot of it), but successful is more objective. I don't really care if you thought it wasn't good, we have objective data showing success. All of this is just your subjective opinion and frankly meaningless for this sort of debate. A lot of people like those things, and just one of them cancel out your opinion on that topic when we're asking "what helps D&D succeed" as opposed to "what helps D&D please DMZ2112". No but Marvel movies never would have existed without the original comics either. That doesn't make the comics currently the focus of Marvel however. They already established D&D as a brand - people have a high level of recognition already for the brand and that was the important thing. Now, they can expand the brand to all sorts of things, and they don't need to focus as much on the RPG books, just like Marvel no longer needs to focus as much on the Comic books. Yes. The movie made a metric crapload of money, and it wasn't because kids could currently buy a plastic toy. Indeed, it made a ton of money from people who had no intention of buying a plastic toy. The existence of the plastic toy in the distant past is what helped with that - and we already have the existence of D&D in the distant past for similar purposes. I don't think we're dealing with the same sort of thing here. Marvel is, fundamentally, in the business of selling episodic story and art, quality notwithstanding.[/quote] They're really not anymore, though that remains part of what they do. Their business is SO much larger than that now, particularly since joining Disney. Mostly, it's a licensing business. You can get anything with Spiderman, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc.. on it now, and they make money on every single one of those things that sell. The movies are great for them, the TV show is nice, but reams of money come in from simply ordinary household products like socks, and straws, and sippy cups, and whatever you can imagine. I have a friend working over at Disney and just the money that will come in from Marvel characters appearing in educational video games sold to foreign nations would stagger your imagination. That's not quite how it happened. After the bankruptcy is really when things took off. Before that, the entertainment line was mostly meh. I know, I owned stock way back then and used to research all their stuff (sometime by hand). Their entertainment line was more successful than D&Ds back then, but not by as much as you'd think. Back before the bankruptcy, comic books really did bring in the bulk of the money. They shifted their business focus away from comics and towards the overall brand after the bankruptcy recovery. And that seems to be where D&D is now - shifting the focus from the books to the brand. You mistake what I said for claiming the tabletop portion is going away. Much like comic books, it's not going away. It will still be often identified by books. But, the focus of the company seems to be shifting away from the books and towards the brand, similar to the focus of Marvel after the bankruptcy. Their marketing, I think, will be focused more on the brand than on the books. There will be some marketing for the books, just as Marvel still does some marketing for comic books. But, you're going to see a lot more marketing for the brand than before, if they're doing what I think they are doing. [/QUOTE]
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