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D&D Next playtest post mortem by Mike Mearls and Rodney Thompson. From seven years ago.
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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8775323" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>so would you say being able to lift and carry all day 8x15lbs (120lbs) is 'minimal' or the ability to push/pull drag 240lbs? does anyone remember the montogies... how much does he do? </p><p>Nobody (not I or anyone else) said dump str... but Con higher... heck with the defualt array that can be a 12 str ( so carry 180lbs all day and push pull 360 more then handles the training that I had to go look up)</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/gonna-fly-now-complete-list-all-exercises-every-rocky-training-montage/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>why? again, con is your health and body mass... it seems to me to be at least equal important to Strength. </p><p></p><p>and even this... in the first picture what would you rate his str score as? a 3 allows you to carry 45lbs all day or lift/pull/drag 90lbs... that puts a str of 3 just about my medical limit. </p><p></p><p>What part of "there is NO character in D&D by the rules that isn't strong" do you not get?</p><p></p><p>Heck, according to official Marvel Database, Captain America's full limits of strength is lifting up to <strong>1,200 lbs</strong> with maximum effort, which gives him the ability to knock out Thunderball who possessed superhuman durability and also lift merge hulk. It's enhanced strength, but not at the superhuman level. Super Solider?</p><p></p><p>so the second pic needs to be able to lift 1,200lbs... that is a Str score about 40. so the first pic being a 1 (15lbs lift and carry 30lbs push/pull) or 2 (30lbs lift and carry 60lbs push/pull) and the second being a 40 means BOTH are unreachable by the rules..</p><p></p><p></p><p>If on the other hand you told someone the picture of pre SSS Steve (a lot of Ss) was a str 10 and after was a str 18 most would beleive that... but again that would mean before the serum he would lift 150lbs and carry it all day or push/pull 300lbs and after he could only carry 270lbs and push pull 540lbs</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8775323, member: 67338"] so would you say being able to lift and carry all day 8x15lbs (120lbs) is 'minimal' or the ability to push/pull drag 240lbs? does anyone remember the montogies... how much does he do? Nobody (not I or anyone else) said dump str... but Con higher... heck with the defualt array that can be a 12 str ( so carry 180lbs all day and push pull 360 more then handles the training that I had to go look up) [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/gonna-fly-now-complete-list-all-exercises-every-rocky-training-montage/[/URL] why? again, con is your health and body mass... it seems to me to be at least equal important to Strength. and even this... in the first picture what would you rate his str score as? a 3 allows you to carry 45lbs all day or lift/pull/drag 90lbs... that puts a str of 3 just about my medical limit. What part of "there is NO character in D&D by the rules that isn't strong" do you not get? Heck, according to official Marvel Database, Captain America's full limits of strength is lifting up to [B]1,200 lbs[/B] with maximum effort, which gives him the ability to knock out Thunderball who possessed superhuman durability and also lift merge hulk. It's enhanced strength, but not at the superhuman level. Super Solider? so the second pic needs to be able to lift 1,200lbs... that is a Str score about 40. so the first pic being a 1 (15lbs lift and carry 30lbs push/pull) or 2 (30lbs lift and carry 60lbs push/pull) and the second being a 40 means BOTH are unreachable by the rules.. If on the other hand you told someone the picture of pre SSS Steve (a lot of Ss) was a str 10 and after was a str 18 most would beleive that... but again that would mean before the serum he would lift 150lbs and carry it all day or push/pull 300lbs and after he could only carry 270lbs and push pull 540lbs [/QUOTE]
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