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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6224331" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Actaully I would be extremely pleased if that was the case, the wizards have already eaten the sorcerer's lunch -by being strictly better in all regards, before they announced this all a sorcerer could be was being like a wizard but with very limited spells known and no ritual casting-, having the sorcerers have a class-level primacy on metamagic should indeed help counter that, let the wizards and codzillas have to deal with lousy 1/day metamagiks, allowing sorcerers metamagic primacy creates a niche for them to replace the one that was ripped from them -tactical flexibility-    The knock thing is specially contentious, I think it is fair to make it specially bad for wizards, after all I do get the main points -He can prepare something different tomorrow and it isn't fair that a wizard can make a fellow party member superflous with just a few hours rest-, but again for sorcerers this isn't as clear cut, for a wizard preparing knock is a matter of adaptation for a given day, for a sorcerer is a life path choice -or at least a long term compromise-, a sorcerer doesn't pick knock to casually replace the rogue, a sorcerer picks it to be a magical thief, probably even hoping to do that in a permanent basis, and being extremely noisy each time goes against that. The only way I think both camps could be satisfied is by keeping knock as is and then provide sorcerers with a non-noisy version that cannot be ritual casted or have knock say that sorcerers don't produce the noise, I don't know.</blockquote>

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