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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 6097982" data-attributes="member: 779"><p>The Warlord as a full class is in many ways very similar to the Illusionist being a full class, except that I haven't seen a lot of 1e fans make an outcry about how the Illusionist isn't a full class. I don't have any affection for the Illusionist as a class probably because I started in 2e. And I personally think it's best they try for the full classes as defined by 3e (with the addition of Warlock which had 4e as the 1 edition where they appeared in the first PHB). The thing about the Warlord is that never was about the healing as it's main thing, which is something I felt they just tacked on when trying to define classes by roles, it was always about battlefield tactics (as I seem to remember the Warlord being the worst healer of the leader classes). </p><p></p><p>I feel there's more justifications for why Barbarians, Rangers and Paladins should be separate classes, because in many ways they are sort of hybrids. Paladin being sort of a fighter/cleric and Ranger being sort of a fighter/druid. Also the Barbarian is good for absorbing the interesting but considerably less popular Warden class, and the Ranger could absorb the really unpopular Seeker class.</p><p></p><p>It's certainly my biases about edition, but I feel the archetypes of:</p><p>Ranger - A warrior versed with the secret knowledge of the wilds.</p><p>Paladin - A holy warrior of empowered by the force of an ideal.</p><p>Barbarian - A warrior driven by the totem spirits.</p><p></p><p>could stand more on their own, than Warlord - A warrior trained in the arts of tactics and command. Mainly because it's harder to have fighter maneuvers cover things like spirit knowledge and divine blessings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Avenger, post: 6097982, member: 779"] The Warlord as a full class is in many ways very similar to the Illusionist being a full class, except that I haven't seen a lot of 1e fans make an outcry about how the Illusionist isn't a full class. I don't have any affection for the Illusionist as a class probably because I started in 2e. And I personally think it's best they try for the full classes as defined by 3e (with the addition of Warlock which had 4e as the 1 edition where they appeared in the first PHB). The thing about the Warlord is that never was about the healing as it's main thing, which is something I felt they just tacked on when trying to define classes by roles, it was always about battlefield tactics (as I seem to remember the Warlord being the worst healer of the leader classes). I feel there's more justifications for why Barbarians, Rangers and Paladins should be separate classes, because in many ways they are sort of hybrids. Paladin being sort of a fighter/cleric and Ranger being sort of a fighter/druid. Also the Barbarian is good for absorbing the interesting but considerably less popular Warden class, and the Ranger could absorb the really unpopular Seeker class. It's certainly my biases about edition, but I feel the archetypes of: Ranger - A warrior versed with the secret knowledge of the wilds. Paladin - A holy warrior of empowered by the force of an ideal. Barbarian - A warrior driven by the totem spirits. could stand more on their own, than Warlord - A warrior trained in the arts of tactics and command. Mainly because it's harder to have fighter maneuvers cover things like spirit knowledge and divine blessings. [/QUOTE]
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