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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 6098295" data-attributes="member: 6688937">...err...because Sun Tzu was a military philosopher who may actually be a composite of several writers (presumably experienced officers)? He wrote about warfare on a scale and scope far larger than a typical D&amp;D skirmish fight. Now that might be an appropriate image for a prestige class (or whatever they end up being) call it &quot;The Great General&quot;, but there's nothing in Sun Tzu about &quot;what to shout to get your friend fighting again&quot; or &quot;how to hit a target so that you encourage your buddy to strike it as well&quot;.That's not to say that there are not characters following the Warlord trope. However, the ones that spring most readily to my mind aren't from the fantasy genre.* I don't claim to be the most well-versed fantasy aficionado, but I'm drawing mostly blanks. I can think of a few (mostly Black Company) characters who occasionally appear to do some &quot;Warlordy&quot; things, but they are always incidental and seem overshadowed by their personal kick-buttitude.If the 4e Warlord does represent some kind of fantasy hero trope (outside of D&amp;D) that is clearly distinct from the fighter or paladin, I'd certainly be interested in hearing more examples of it.&nbsp; *<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush&nbsp; &nbsp; :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />Okay, its Captain America and...well its Captain America, and even then a case could be made for Paladin.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 6098295, member: 6688937"] ...err...because Sun Tzu was a military philosopher who may actually be a composite of several writers (presumably experienced officers)? He wrote about warfare on a scale and scope far larger than a typical D&D skirmish fight. Now that might be an appropriate image for a prestige class (or whatever they end up being) call it "The Great General", but there's nothing in Sun Tzu about "what to shout to get your friend fighting again" or "how to hit a target so that you encourage your buddy to strike it as well". That's not to say that there are not characters following the Warlord trope. However, the ones that spring most readily to my mind aren't from the fantasy genre.* I don't claim to be the most well-versed fantasy aficionado, but I'm drawing mostly blanks. I can think of a few (mostly Black Company) characters who occasionally appear to do some "Warlordy" things, but they are always incidental and seem overshadowed by their personal kick-buttitude. If the 4e Warlord [I]does[/I] represent some kind of fantasy hero trope (outside of D&D) that is [U]clearly[/U] distinct from the fighter or paladin, I'd certainly be interested in hearing more examples of it. *:blush:Okay, its Captain America and...well its Captain America, and even then a case could be made for Paladin. [/QUOTE]

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