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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 6098479" data-attributes="member: 6688937"><p>Speaking more broadly than the immediate "Name a Warlord" problem. I think the problem with these discussions is that they are just about all subject to so much subjective interpretation. Even the most prominent characters in fiction rarely give us enough material with which to clearly judge their class in the modern era with large numbers of classes. (I can't even tell you how many write-ups for Gandalf I've seen with classes from Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Bard, and now Warlord(!?). <span style="font-size: 9px">Those DM-mouthpiece characters are always hard to quantify.</span>)</p><p></p><p>Particularly amusing in your list is Aragorn, who is so much the model for the old-school Ranger that the class is derogatorily referred to as "the Aragorn". I'm a big fan of Black Company, and I gotta say, Croaker as a 4e-style warlord is a <u>big</u> stretch for me.</p><p></p><p>I mean, you can't just go looking for "characters who inspire others" because that's not exclusive to the Warlord class, nor is it generally clear in source material what exactly would be happening in mechanical terms. All of which makes this process is the very inviting to Confirmation Bias. i.e. If you go looking for Warlords, you'll find them. The same is true for (just about) any other class.</p><p></p><p>The question we're trying to address is whether those Warlord need to be a unique class. So, looking at your list, before the 4e-Warlord was around, what would you have labelled each of those characters? For how many of them would you have been thinking: "Oh gosh, he's a <whatever>, but really there's so much more! If only there was a Warlord class! Fie upon these Fighters, Rangers, and Paladins! None of them express the demonstrated leadership abilities of this character adequately!" ? I submit that the realistic answer is very near 0.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 6098479, member: 6688937"] Speaking more broadly than the immediate "Name a Warlord" problem. I think the problem with these discussions is that they are just about all subject to so much subjective interpretation. Even the most prominent characters in fiction rarely give us enough material with which to clearly judge their class in the modern era with large numbers of classes. (I can't even tell you how many write-ups for Gandalf I've seen with classes from Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Bard, and now Warlord(!?). [SIZE=1]Those DM-mouthpiece characters are always hard to quantify.[/SIZE]) Particularly amusing in your list is Aragorn, who is so much the model for the old-school Ranger that the class is derogatorily referred to as "the Aragorn". I'm a big fan of Black Company, and I gotta say, Croaker as a 4e-style warlord is a [U]big[/U] stretch for me. I mean, you can't just go looking for "characters who inspire others" because that's not exclusive to the Warlord class, nor is it generally clear in source material what exactly would be happening in mechanical terms. All of which makes this process is the very inviting to Confirmation Bias. i.e. If you go looking for Warlords, you'll find them. The same is true for (just about) any other class. The question we're trying to address is whether those Warlord need to be a unique class. So, looking at your list, before the 4e-Warlord was around, what would you have labelled each of those characters? For how many of them would you have been thinking: "Oh gosh, he's a <whatever>, but really there's so much more! If only there was a Warlord class! Fie upon these Fighters, Rangers, and Paladins! None of them express the demonstrated leadership abilities of this character adequately!" ? I submit that the realistic answer is very near 0. [/QUOTE]
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