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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgoroth" data-source="post: 6099037" data-attributes="member: 6674889">After all this discussion, I've changed my mind and now consider Warlord worthy of a class from Level 1, similar to how Octavius grew up, taught to lead from a very young age. It might be something one can pick up as well, should you have the wit and charisma, but it could be just as well if they focused on tactics with the same singular devotion to their craft as a wizard would to his. That said, I can also still see Warlord as a prestige class of Fighter, but starting at an earlier level than 9th in OD&D/AD&D. A warlord should still participate in war as a footsoldier, and many great generals in history did, when they were young men fighting in the blood and dirt, only to rise through the ranks. Watch Band of Brothers for what I mean. If you don't have first hand battlefield experience and risk your life at the front lines (and that implies going to boot camp like every other fighter, and spending his early years in the trenches with his future underlings), it's hard for your peers to respect you and follow you into hell. I.e. I definitely think a warlord can be modelled as a fighter subclass or prestige class more often (but not exclusively) than its own class per se. Also, if you make it a prestige class of a melee fighting type class, it opens up to have barbarian / warlords and so on and they certainly have tons of historical and fiction support. It would be very hard to model Conan as an OD&D fighter or a 4e Warlord, but as a DDN Barbarian / warlord prestige class I see no problem with that. I don't even necessarily think that warlords need to learn their craft from books or studying textbooks, they can also learn just as well what works on the battlefield and in the trenches, by, you know, not dying. And often enough to get out of so many hairy situations that others implicitly are in awe with their tactical acumen. "How do you know that'll work?" asks the snooty recruit to the gnarled up veteran who can't even read : "Experience, lad". I.e. you can learn stuff first hand or from books, and both those are perhaps valid paths, but who would you follow into hell? Someone who's read about it? or someone who's been there and came back out again....alive! Who would give you more confidence? More courage to stand beside?</blockquote>

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