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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pour" data-source="post: 6099238" data-attributes="member: 59411">I think we all see WotC's reasoning behind keeping the Ranger, Paladin, Barbarian, and Monk classes as having much more to do with 'legacy' than any sort of real 'thematic need' when compared to a Warlord. Are you really arguing any of those classes couldn't be folded into the "Fighting Man" with appropriate specialties, feats, and weapon choices? If you are, I'd say fair enough, but why does the Warlord class then become folded into the 'warrior, specialist, soldier' trio when he is in fact the 'marshal, tactician, authority' figure? If you're not arguing that, then wouldn't the precedent of having whole classes based around lesser variants of fighting-men allow for a Warlord class in its own right?My beef stems from the designers talking about keeping the slight differentiations between RPBM classes intact, but reducing the martial leader/supporter class into an option of the Fighter. Either go all the way folding the cousin classes into Fighter and make a simplified basic game, or go the other way and allow the Warlord to exist within its own design space. Having it both ways marginalizes a theme/play style/genre implication many people enjoy, a large part of them 4thers. Going back to one of your past posts on the matter, I do believe the Warlord's 'approach' is entirely different from the Fighter's, on day one, level one. Anyone whose played 4e could tell you. But even still, if they were to provide options to change a Fighter into a Warlord, I mean how many changes does it take to warrant a new class? We're talking about adding a whole new 'healing-like' mechanic to a class that would otherwise never deal in team-wide support. Then adding a command specialty, which could never encompass all the thematic variants of the Warlord. So we'd be adding multiple specialties based around the same general concept of command to be tacked onto the class that does not normally facilitate it.Fighter and Warlord have existed together before, and they more compliment one another than step on each others' toes.</blockquote>

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