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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doctor Bomb" data-source="post: 2892577" data-attributes="member: 8300">Whoa up there, fusangite! The RAW specifically state that a Cleric need not have a patron deity, and can even ignore the Prime Philosophies of Good, Evil, Law, and Chaos when choosing spells and domains. Also, one must include druidic faiths in this discussion - most of the tree-hugging hippies are worshiping the abstract power of Nature, which explains their 90+% different spell selection (even though there are deities in the rules that have nature in their Portfolios). Now, put that back in the equation (and if you are able, even though it's not core, consider Psionics - an organization of royally-funded Telepaths and Egoists? Oh, THAT's who those pale men in brown robes are that live in the Royal Church. And here I thought they were Monks that just didn't adventure that often.) and kick that argument off again. I would really love to see both you and KM kick those ideas around a bit. Certainly would lead to a different flavor of person in power.Mostly, the rest of your arguments are fine, and I agree with your points, (and it is DREADFULLY painful to try to emulate supply and demand economics with DND rules) but I am more in line with the Kamikaze when it comes to verisimilitude in my games. While I don't want to go all modern and try to generate a bunch of calculator programs to emulate falling damage based on Newtonian physics and such, I do try to use as much real-world info as possible to mesh with core rules to fill in the gaps and prevent exploits by my pet POWERGAMERs. For example, string theory explains a whole lot to me about arcane magic, its source and limits, and everyone's favorite planar magic spells.  big dummy and Hussar: Forgotten Realms has the Harper organization that (sometimes without the knowledge or consent of the nobles) fits the bill of Official Spy Network. I would think that a clerical order with domains of Knowledge and Evil would make the most effective spy network ("Interrogation, to Death and Beyond!", followed by and organization of specialist wizards of the Divination school, followed by Psions and Bards - each has it's own benefits and drawbacks, but I would think (as Hussar pointed out) that any ruler/ruling group without the benefit of an alliance/pact with one of these know-it-all groups would be overtaken by a neighbor within a generation.Now, if I could just figure out how to get Bill Gates to give me his money, I can start working on getting fire to shoot out of my hands...</blockquote>

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