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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aenghus" data-source="post: 6247843" data-attributes="member: 2656">Both 9th level characters massively outclass the 1st level pc, as they should. But the AD&D MU has more potential access to one-shot-wins than the 4e wizard, and longer lasting spells to boot. One AD&D Charm Person will probably render the fighter into a useful friend for weeks. a 9th level magic missile for 5d4+5, average 17.5 hp is almost certainly a one shot kill, as is burning hands. Is this the staggering difference you mean?Just the fact that the 9th level MU is alive at that level implies certain information, as AD&D MUs are so vulnerable due to lack of hp and AC, and spell disruption, that campaigns where they are aggressively engaged generally kill them off long before 9th level.Also magic items can't be left out of the equation, as AD&D magic items were massively more influential than in 4e, and a 9th level MU probably has some nice ones. Even bracers of defense would allow the MU to just kill the fighter with darts or beat him to death with a staff.</blockquote>