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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6193435" data-attributes="member: 95493">While I love this list, and the ideas presented in that link (thanks Kobold Stew) I think they have a major flaw assuming the other races are humanoid. Elves, dwarves, kobolds, whatever; aren't cheetahs or elephants or hippos. They aren't dumb bestial animals. They are people with scales, pointy ears, long bears, whatever.How many of these qualities apply to "intelligent species"? How many require an int score over 2? Can dolphins have these but still be animals? Those have answers when talking about humans versus animals of our world. But compared to intelligent species, or aliens for example, it starts to fall flat. If you have a civilization you have "grow things in a bucket" and fire. You likely have domestication so you can keep your food in one place, or for vegetarians so you can keep your food safe against predators.So, either we need to make the other races more alien, more extreme and different while lacking qualities that make people people. Or we need to define some other "essential" quality of humans. I think this more or less defines it, or at least has defined it in a lot of Scifi I've read:I think it is right in saying we'll screw everything. That is why there are half-elves and half-orcs and half-giants and half-dragon and half-trolls. But so few half-elf-half-dwarves (or whatever). I don't think it necessarily leads to +2 CHA (though I'm not directly opposed to that) but I think the PF solution of +2 anywhere you want it works best. It isn't that we're sexy, its that we're curious and will do anything.</blockquote>

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