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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5838238" data-attributes="member: 92511">Yes...and no. High Elves were stated, quite clearly, as the elf that PC elves were supposed to be. Once Unearthed Arcana came out and the, what, 6 (?) elf races were listed as possible PCs the High elf was still pointed out as the elf that MOST elf PCs &quot;should/would&quot; be unless otherwise stipulated. Right, &quot;wood&quot; elves. Not, originally, an elvin character's race but detailed, somewhat, in the original MM.Which have ever thought of to be the model for &quot;Grey Elves&quot;...not &quot;High elves.&quot;The people/elves of Elrond's Rivendell, were High Elves, or so I always took them to be.&nbsp; And, again, how does that make it more/&quot;better&quot; than saying &quot;You're a Grey&quot; or &quot;High&quot; or &quot;Wood&quot; elf? The 1e UA had varying ability modifications and cultural details...Why did they have to be/become &quot;separate fey beings&quot;?To each their own...and play with what you like. To me they were entirely unnecessary as a separate race...and relegated all &quot;elf&quot; characters to being &quot;wood elves&quot; was a completely arbitrary injustice...and, as forementioned, making eldarin=&quot;high elves&quot; was just completely wrong to the Tolkien elf model.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5838238, member: 92511"] Yes...and no. High Elves were stated, quite clearly, as the elf that PC elves were supposed to be. Once Unearthed Arcana came out and the, what, 6 (?) elf races were listed as possible PCs the High elf was still pointed out as the elf that MOST elf PCs "should/would" be unless otherwise stipulated. Right, "wood" elves. Not, originally, an elvin character's race but detailed, somewhat, in the original MM. Which have ever thought of to be the model for "Grey Elves"...not "High elves." The people/elves of Elrond's Rivendell, were High Elves, or so I always took them to be. And, again, how does that make it more/"better" than saying "You're a Grey" or "High" or "Wood" elf? The 1e UA had varying ability modifications and cultural details...Why did they have to be/become "separate fey beings"? To each their own...and play with what you like. To me they were entirely unnecessary as a separate race...and relegated all "elf" characters to being "wood elves" was a completely arbitrary injustice...and, as forementioned, making eldarin="high elves" was just completely wrong to the Tolkien elf model. [/QUOTE]

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