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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5840992">At the same time, what's to stop a very agile ranger from climbing said tree and doing the same?As a good GM once told me, if you ever make a character that basically flies into the sky and rains death upon whatever's on the groun, expect the next encounter to be filled with some flock of horrible monsters that fly.&nbsp; Yeah at lvl1 in a pre-built campaign I agree that this might be problematic, of course at the same time, I think that having to make a &quot;fly&quot; check every round in order to stay aloft while fighting, or mandatory X-distance minimum movement each round is a good way to balance out &quot;I fly up and rain death from above&quot;.&nbsp; I also house-rule in &quot;wingspan&quot; rules.&nbsp; If there isn't realistically 10 feet of open space to each side, you can't fly, or you gotta make a darn good fly check.&nbsp; Wings on a humanoid would probably be about 15-feet long each, so I'm going easy on them, they'd also make for one heck of a big(if moving) target.&nbsp; I'm not arguing in favor of the inclusion of winged races, I think they'd be a great place for some 1-3 lvl &quot;racial classes&quot; or racial feats to enable flight.&nbsp; But I think that realistically the advantage of flight that they present is minimal given most adventuring situations(dungeon-crawling, indoors, dense forest, ect...).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 5840992"] At the same time, what's to stop a very agile ranger from climbing said tree and doing the same? As a good GM once told me, if you ever make a character that basically flies into the sky and rains death upon whatever's on the groun, expect the next encounter to be filled with some flock of horrible monsters that fly. Yeah at lvl1 in a pre-built campaign I agree that this might be problematic, of course at the same time, I think that having to make a "fly" check every round in order to stay aloft while fighting, or mandatory X-distance minimum movement each round is a good way to balance out "I fly up and rain death from above". I also house-rule in "wingspan" rules. If there isn't realistically 10 feet of open space to each side, you can't fly, or you gotta make a darn good fly check. Wings on a humanoid would probably be about 15-feet long each, so I'm going easy on them, they'd also make for one heck of a big(if moving) target. I'm not arguing in favor of the inclusion of winged races, I think they'd be a great place for some 1-3 lvl "racial classes" or racial feats to enable flight. But I think that realistically the advantage of flight that they present is minimal given most adventuring situations(dungeon-crawling, indoors, dense forest, ect...). [/QUOTE]

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