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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8528407" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sorry but your disagreement appears to be simply based in error re: the meaning of the word.</p><p></p><p>Verisimilitude has a specific meaning. If the setting doesn't feature the themes being described, then as matter of cold fact it is not verisimilitude to invoke those themes. It doesn't matter how "baked in" you think certain things are, it matters how things work <em>in the setting being simulated</em>.</p><p></p><p>The reference to The Expanse is illustrative of this failure to realize that different settings have different themes. The Expanse intentionally about those themes. That is <em>literally focus of the story</em>. And it's entirely about humans, too. It's not a fantasy setting either - it's towards the harder end of science-fiction, and set in the future of the human race, in this solar system.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What fantasy isn't escapist then, in your view? This seems to me to be invoking the "all books are escapist" logic. Which is incompatible with your claim that some fantasy was more or less escapist, and the less escapist stuff failed.</p><p></p><p>I think fantasy that deals primarily with real-world issues and invokes real-world situations, and has human characters behaving in very human ways is pretty clearly and distinctly different in what it offers, particularly re: escapism, to stuff that's mostly magic systems, lore, superhero fights, and so on. The former may well drag you back to earth, particularly when things happen in it that have direct analogues to experiences from your own life, and may well make you think about real-world issues that you maybe rather wouldn't. The latter does the opposite - it cushions and cocoons you in a world of fantasy that has no danger of causing much thinking about the real world, and instead, may well ask you to ponder or learn elaborate backstories and lore, or think about the potential shenanigans the design of the magic system might allow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8528407, member: 18"] Sorry but your disagreement appears to be simply based in error re: the meaning of the word. Verisimilitude has a specific meaning. If the setting doesn't feature the themes being described, then as matter of cold fact it is not verisimilitude to invoke those themes. It doesn't matter how "baked in" you think certain things are, it matters how things work [I]in the setting being simulated[/I]. The reference to The Expanse is illustrative of this failure to realize that different settings have different themes. The Expanse intentionally about those themes. That is [I]literally focus of the story[/I]. And it's entirely about humans, too. It's not a fantasy setting either - it's towards the harder end of science-fiction, and set in the future of the human race, in this solar system. What fantasy isn't escapist then, in your view? This seems to me to be invoking the "all books are escapist" logic. Which is incompatible with your claim that some fantasy was more or less escapist, and the less escapist stuff failed. I think fantasy that deals primarily with real-world issues and invokes real-world situations, and has human characters behaving in very human ways is pretty clearly and distinctly different in what it offers, particularly re: escapism, to stuff that's mostly magic systems, lore, superhero fights, and so on. The former may well drag you back to earth, particularly when things happen in it that have direct analogues to experiences from your own life, and may well make you think about real-world issues that you maybe rather wouldn't. The latter does the opposite - it cushions and cocoons you in a world of fantasy that has no danger of causing much thinking about the real world, and instead, may well ask you to ponder or learn elaborate backstories and lore, or think about the potential shenanigans the design of the magic system might allow. [/QUOTE]
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