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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8529049" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>Here's the follow-up:</p><p></p><p>The BBC style guide notes that for things it doesn't cover that "The Oxford English Dictionary is otherwise the preferred reference". </p><p></p><p>It doesn't have savage, primitive, or exotic in it, and so would default to the OED as I indicated above </p><p></p><p>The AP style guide also lacks them. It uses the 5th Edition of Webster's New World College Dictionary (Chicago Manual of Style uses the 11th of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary). It shows primitive as a noun being derogatory, but not as an adjective. It does not note either exotic or savage as derogatory - and so would not come down on the usage in the same way as I would view the BBC/OED combination.</p><p></p><p>I wonder if that will be different if we look back in a decade.</p><p></p><p>----</p><p></p><p>I am hardly holding it up as authoritative, but Buzzfeed's style guide says it "aims to provide a prevailing, and evolving, set of standards for the internet and social media." It notes:</p><p></p><p>savage: Avoid this racial slur, even in casual contexts that aren't referring to people (e.g., do not use "savage burn" or "these memes are savage")</p><p></p><p>Here's one on how it is viewed by some in Canada: <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/offensive-term-remove-urban-planet-1.5305540" target="_blank">https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/offensive-term-remove-urban-planet-1.5305540</a></p><p></p><p>It is similarly mentioned in the context of Native Americans at: <a href="https://www.insider.com/native-american-offensive-racist-things-2020-1#and-dont-call-natives-or-anything-they-do-savage-6" target="_blank">7 things you should never say to a Native American</a></p><p></p><p>----</p><p></p><p>Primitive is called out as unacceptable for describing people by the Association of Social Anthropologists who joined the Survival International campaign to stop using it:</p><p></p><p>"Terms like 'stone age' and 'primitive' have been used to describe tribal people since the colonial era, reinforcing the idea that they have not changed over time and that they are backward. This idea is both incorrect and very dangerous. It is incorrect because all societies adapt and change, and it is dangerous because it is often used to justify the persecution or forced 'development' of tribal peoples. The results are almost always catastrophic: poverty, alcoholism, prostitution, disease and death."</p><p></p><p>----</p><p></p><p>There are a number of websites on why labeling a person as exotic may have negative connotations to the person recieving it, especially when it is used about the appearance of a member of a racial minority.</p><p></p><p>----</p><p></p><p>So, none of the four seem like they'll get you universally condemned for using them (which seems good, because who can keep up with everything), but that once it's pointed out, I'm not sure why a publisher wouldn't just switch to another word and avoid the issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8529049, member: 6701124"] Here's the follow-up: The BBC style guide notes that for things it doesn't cover that "The Oxford English Dictionary is otherwise the preferred reference". It doesn't have savage, primitive, or exotic in it, and so would default to the OED as I indicated above The AP style guide also lacks them. It uses the 5th Edition of Webster's New World College Dictionary (Chicago Manual of Style uses the 11th of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary). It shows primitive as a noun being derogatory, but not as an adjective. It does not note either exotic or savage as derogatory - and so would not come down on the usage in the same way as I would view the BBC/OED combination. I wonder if that will be different if we look back in a decade. ---- I am hardly holding it up as authoritative, but Buzzfeed's style guide says it "aims to provide a prevailing, and evolving, set of standards for the internet and social media." It notes: savage: Avoid this racial slur, even in casual contexts that aren't referring to people (e.g., do not use "savage burn" or "these memes are savage") Here's one on how it is viewed by some in Canada: [URL]https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/offensive-term-remove-urban-planet-1.5305540[/URL] It is similarly mentioned in the context of Native Americans at: [URL='https://www.insider.com/native-american-offensive-racist-things-2020-1#and-dont-call-natives-or-anything-they-do-savage-6']7 things you should never say to a Native American[/URL] ---- Primitive is called out as unacceptable for describing people by the Association of Social Anthropologists who joined the Survival International campaign to stop using it: "Terms like 'stone age' and 'primitive' have been used to describe tribal people since the colonial era, reinforcing the idea that they have not changed over time and that they are backward. This idea is both incorrect and very dangerous. It is incorrect because all societies adapt and change, and it is dangerous because it is often used to justify the persecution or forced 'development' of tribal peoples. The results are almost always catastrophic: poverty, alcoholism, prostitution, disease and death." ---- There are a number of websites on why labeling a person as exotic may have negative connotations to the person recieving it, especially when it is used about the appearance of a member of a racial minority. ---- So, none of the four seem like they'll get you universally condemned for using them (which seems good, because who can keep up with everything), but that once it's pointed out, I'm not sure why a publisher wouldn't just switch to another word and avoid the issue. [/QUOTE]
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