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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8532685" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>IMO dismissing a claim based on implausability without explaining what makes it implausible isn't a very strong position. It's not even a position I can engage with. Maybe that was the point?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually it was very truthful and maybe you will understand why by the end of this post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure I mostly agree here, but I'd add that we should have some principled way of picking which claims we take seriously. It has to be more than simply calling something implausible IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What specific behavior? 'Daring to question whether one specific thing is actually racist, bad or hurtful?' And for raising that question and asking for a discussion on it I've been called a racist, compared to the nazis, told i don't care about others hurt and talked to like i'm a child - 'just don't do it' repeatedly and non-stop. That's demeaning and dehumanizing. It's painting me as an evil monster. It's the exact kind of thing people talk about when they talk about othering being bad.</p><p></p><p>IMO. That's nothing like saying 'ice cream hurts me'.</p><p></p><p>But really this isn't about me. I don't really care if you or anyone acknowledges my hurt or believe it's real or justified. I only bring my hurt into it because emotional appeal is enough to really make some people stop and listen, even if for but a moment. I just want to be able to have a discussion about whether this one particular thing - whether the particular language around orcs is legitimately hurtful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8532685, member: 6795602"] IMO dismissing a claim based on implausability without explaining what makes it implausible isn't a very strong position. It's not even a position I can engage with. Maybe that was the point? Actually it was very truthful and maybe you will understand why by the end of this post. Sure I mostly agree here, but I'd add that we should have some principled way of picking which claims we take seriously. It has to be more than simply calling something implausible IMO. What specific behavior? 'Daring to question whether one specific thing is actually racist, bad or hurtful?' And for raising that question and asking for a discussion on it I've been called a racist, compared to the nazis, told i don't care about others hurt and talked to like i'm a child - 'just don't do it' repeatedly and non-stop. That's demeaning and dehumanizing. It's painting me as an evil monster. It's the exact kind of thing people talk about when they talk about othering being bad. IMO. That's nothing like saying 'ice cream hurts me'. But really this isn't about me. I don't really care if you or anyone acknowledges my hurt or believe it's real or justified. I only bring my hurt into it because emotional appeal is enough to really make some people stop and listen, even if for but a moment. I just want to be able to have a discussion about whether this one particular thing - whether the particular language around orcs is legitimately hurtful. [/QUOTE]
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