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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8533139" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>I'm saying it's been a lot more than one person. I don't want to stir up cross-forum drama (particularly since at least two of the users in question have been banned from said other forum), but I can think of <em>at least</em> three people who openly and explicitly sought this out. And, beyond that, there's been <em>plenty</em> of people in all the threads about "they're making alignment POINTLESS?!" we had last year who have explicitly said it bothers them that this move is taking away <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/rip-alignment.678700/page-6#post-8217316" target="_blank"><em>easy automatic target</em> creatures</a>, or that they'd rather <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/rip-alignment.678700/page-18#post-8217786" target="_blank">delete orcs entirely</a> than water down alignment, or that they have no problem with <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-thought-wotc-was-removing-biological-morals.681926/page-11#post-8367975" target="_blank">"evil monsters no matter what form they take or what fluff is given."</a> (That last one, incidentally, is a post you yourself liked, hence why I'm a little gobsmacked you seem to think this is a rare one-off opinion, rather than the semi-common but far from universal opinion it appears to be.)</p><p></p><p>Now, maybe most of them also give fig-leaf excuses...but you should keep in mind, as noted earlier in <em>this</em> thread, that real-world people have been using fig-leaf excuses like that to justify IRL atrocities for a very, very long time. We call it "dehumanization" for a reason. It's part of what makes this whole thing so tricky; we have literally thousands of years (and, for the US in specific, the vast majority of our history) of classifying certain groups of real people as either non-people, inferior people, or officially acceptable targets (e.g. the "Curse of Ham" explanation for why it was supposedly okay, even <em>righteous,</em> to enslave Africans. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f922.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":sick:" title="Sick :sick:" data-smilie="19"data-shortname=":sick:" />)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8533139, member: 6790260"] I'm saying it's been a lot more than one person. I don't want to stir up cross-forum drama (particularly since at least two of the users in question have been banned from said other forum), but I can think of [I]at least[/I] three people who openly and explicitly sought this out. And, beyond that, there's been [I]plenty[/I] of people in all the threads about "they're making alignment POINTLESS?!" we had last year who have explicitly said it bothers them that this move is taking away [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/rip-alignment.678700/page-6#post-8217316'][I]easy automatic target[/I] creatures[/URL], or that they'd rather [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/rip-alignment.678700/page-18#post-8217786']delete orcs entirely[/URL] than water down alignment, or that they have no problem with [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-thought-wotc-was-removing-biological-morals.681926/page-11#post-8367975']"evil monsters no matter what form they take or what fluff is given."[/URL] (That last one, incidentally, is a post you yourself liked, hence why I'm a little gobsmacked you seem to think this is a rare one-off opinion, rather than the semi-common but far from universal opinion it appears to be.) Now, maybe most of them also give fig-leaf excuses...but you should keep in mind, as noted earlier in [I]this[/I] thread, that real-world people have been using fig-leaf excuses like that to justify IRL atrocities for a very, very long time. We call it "dehumanization" for a reason. It's part of what makes this whole thing so tricky; we have literally thousands of years (and, for the US in specific, the vast majority of our history) of classifying certain groups of real people as either non-people, inferior people, or officially acceptable targets (e.g. the "Curse of Ham" explanation for why it was supposedly okay, even [I]righteous,[/I] to enslave Africans. :sick:) [/QUOTE]
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