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<blockquote data-quote="Guest User" data-source="post: 8124983"><p>I have been playing D&D since 1980. My memory may be hazy, but the Grey Box Forgotten released in 1987 made no mention of the Wall.</p><p></p><p>The Wall was added as a concept by the god awful books...The Time of Troubles.</p><p>Personally, I was disgusted by the notion that some 3 part fantasy series of dubious quality should automatically make changes to any and all Forgotten Realms campaigns.</p><p></p><p>I have never acknowledged any aspect of The Time of Troubles in any game that I have played in, and never will. New Generations of players <em>should absolutely learn about the TSR period where fiction book sales dictated game design and mechanics, and reject the whole period.</em></p><p></p><p>Also, in Russian History, there is a period referred to as the Time of Troubles, it is when the Romanov family ascended to be Emperor.</p><p></p><p>D&D designers are typically ignorant Americans..(so am I<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😍" title="Smiling face with heart-eyes :heart_eyes:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60d.png" data-shortname=":heart_eyes:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🇺🇸" title="Flag: United States :flag_us:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f1fa-1f1f8.png" data-shortname=":flag_us:" />)</p><p>so the plagiarism of the name given to <em>actual</em> historical events in the aforementioned FR series might have been completely unintentional. Perhaps the designers in the TSR era were unaware of the usage of the term <em>the Troubles</em>, to refer to a period of North Ireland history.</p><p>In a modern American context if you refer to a fictional "The Wall", people think you are talking about Game of Thrones. </p><p></p><p>Losing The Wall from the Forgotten Realms, is like removing grime from a Masterpiece painting, it is <em>restorative</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest User, post: 8124983"] I have been playing D&D since 1980. My memory may be hazy, but the Grey Box Forgotten released in 1987 made no mention of the Wall. The Wall was added as a concept by the god awful books...The Time of Troubles. Personally, I was disgusted by the notion that some 3 part fantasy series of dubious quality should automatically make changes to any and all Forgotten Realms campaigns. I have never acknowledged any aspect of The Time of Troubles in any game that I have played in, and never will. New Generations of players [I]should absolutely learn about the TSR period where fiction book sales dictated game design and mechanics, and reject the whole period.[/I] Also, in Russian History, there is a period referred to as the Time of Troubles, it is when the Romanov family ascended to be Emperor. D&D designers are typically ignorant Americans..(so am I😍🇺🇸) so the plagiarism of the name given to [I]actual[/I] historical events in the aforementioned FR series might have been completely unintentional. Perhaps the designers in the TSR era were unaware of the usage of the term [I]the Troubles[/I], to refer to a period of North Ireland history. In a modern American context if you refer to a fictional "The Wall", people think you are talking about Game of Thrones. Losing The Wall from the Forgotten Realms, is like removing grime from a Masterpiece painting, it is [I]restorative[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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