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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dvvega" data-source="post: 1849019" data-attributes="member: 524">I think the problem in this attempt at argument is that you are attempting to argue that D&D is not-satanic and all of the suggestions and examples are aimed at that. However religion and faith are viewpoint based. It matters not what you can prove about D&D, they will not listen because of faith.The other thing to try is to undermine the basics of their faith, but then again this will just set them off. You cannot win the argument UNLESS they are wanting you to show them. Those people who claim to have "won the debate" only did so because their audience was not truly faithful. A true faithful will not be diverted from their belief system.On the flipside, the way you can find out if you have even a chance of discussing it with her, go for the psychiatrist argument. Do not bring D&D into the discussion except as a summary/wrap-up. 1. Discuss psychiatrists and how they help lots of people sort through their issues. One of their techniques is role-playing ... but you CANNOT, MUST NOT use terms like roleplaying. You do not want her to get her hackles up.2. Remember the good old days when playing with dolls, cops and robbers, making your own fun with the little you had, these kids with video games nowadays ... -=shake head=-. If she has children and she forbids them to enjoy this basic pastime then you have no hope of convincing her that D&D is not satanic.you can see where I'm headed here ... take aspects of the game and put them into real-life context. I don't want to pick on the_one_warlock, however the arguments he posits cause the following responses 9 times out of 10 (I have been through this with a Reverend at my old school, and many other hardline religous people).D&D teaches maths- so does going to school, I don't need to truck with satan to learn mathsD&D teachs social skills- so does going to church, I don't need to truck with satan to learn social skillsD&D increases reading skills ...- so does reading the bible, reading literary classics, etcD&D provides a vehicle for exploring the human condition- God is the only one who can do this. We are not meant to explore the human condition or the struggle between good/evil ... evil is the loser, we have no truck with evil.Testament is a Biblical RPG- biggest mistake you can make. If you read it, they posit many heretical things in the eyes of christianity.This will be taken as Satan masquerading as something "good" to gain more followers.In fact if you bring up D&D at all without laying the ground work you will lose the argument - of course if she's hardline then you can't win at all.</blockquote>

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