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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9410096" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This seems correct.</p><p></p><p>Tasha's approach was widely accepted and used in groups who had very little interest in "social justice" issues. To judge from all available online sources the majority of groups had shifted to a Tasha's approach by like 2023.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately 2024 throws that approach away in favour of limiting you by background instead of race, and I think thus I think a bunch of people who couldn't care less about "implied racism" or whatever, but just liked being able to freely play whatever race/class/backstory combo they wanted are going to be pretty intensely annoyed when they find out that the backstory they wanted for their character is a hard-mismatch with the primary stat of the class they wanted. I suspect the eventual outcome will be most groups ignoring the background rules on stat selection, but it'll lead to arguments for the rest of 2024's life lol.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that's how players see it - because "social justice" stuff isn't the primary concern - most players just prefer race and class to be separate selection, where one doesn't really drive the other. This isn't new to 2024, note - Tasha's showed a lot of groups preferred this for a long time</p><p></p><p>I'd put this more alongside the standardization of Feats, previously an optional element. However, as noted, WotC have ballsed it up by tying it to background, which is going to annoy basically exactly the same people basing it on race did. It even still has problematic "social justice" elements being tied to background but let's not re-do that discussion beyond acknowledging that WotC hasn't actually addressed the problem on a fundamental level, because it just moved the problem. Even though had deleted the problem from both angles with Tasha's! Very silly! I think that this decision was taking basically without external playtesting speaks volumes about how out-of-touch and groupthink-y Crawford et al can be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9410096, member: 18"] This seems correct. Tasha's approach was widely accepted and used in groups who had very little interest in "social justice" issues. To judge from all available online sources the majority of groups had shifted to a Tasha's approach by like 2023. Unfortunately 2024 throws that approach away in favour of limiting you by background instead of race, and I think thus I think a bunch of people who couldn't care less about "implied racism" or whatever, but just liked being able to freely play whatever race/class/backstory combo they wanted are going to be pretty intensely annoyed when they find out that the backstory they wanted for their character is a hard-mismatch with the primary stat of the class they wanted. I suspect the eventual outcome will be most groups ignoring the background rules on stat selection, but it'll lead to arguments for the rest of 2024's life lol. I don't think that's how players see it - because "social justice" stuff isn't the primary concern - most players just prefer race and class to be separate selection, where one doesn't really drive the other. This isn't new to 2024, note - Tasha's showed a lot of groups preferred this for a long time I'd put this more alongside the standardization of Feats, previously an optional element. However, as noted, WotC have ballsed it up by tying it to background, which is going to annoy basically exactly the same people basing it on race did. It even still has problematic "social justice" elements being tied to background but let's not re-do that discussion beyond acknowledging that WotC hasn't actually addressed the problem on a fundamental level, because it just moved the problem. Even though had deleted the problem from both angles with Tasha's! Very silly! I think that this decision was taking basically without external playtesting speaks volumes about how out-of-touch and groupthink-y Crawford et al can be. [/QUOTE]
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