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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 9411564" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>There's almost no light between a design that encapsulates "anything that can be done" and a design that encapsulates "anything magical that can be done." They share nearly identical problems and benefits in a fantasy TTRPG. Heck, given the inherent exceptionality of a D&D PC, there's a case to be made that a 4e power is the latter! </p><p></p><p>And in both cases, I think the issue is less to do with the subsystem itself than with the idea that the subsystem should be used exclusively (or nearly so). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I think we're both in agreement that vigilance is warranted! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The distinction between spells and powers is a distinction without much material difference. 4e powers had a LOT of very particular hangups and quirks and foibles and flaws. Spells do, too. Subsystems be subsysteming. Making everything supernatural into a spell is only different in some aesthetic details from making everything into a power. </p><p></p><p>And the problem there as far as I can see is less about <em>spell </em>or <em>power</em>, and more about the <em>everything</em>. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Blanket condemnations are useless for analysis. Specific details can be looked at in context and evaluated. None of the things you point out are the result of ignorance or malice.. </p><p></p><p>Here in the land of 2024's species and spell-ifying things, that's also not a result of ignorance or malice. </p><p></p><p>"5e is a hot mess" is a Reddit post, a tweet, a hot take, a catcall, a plea for attention, not a critique.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 9411564, member: 2067"] There's almost no light between a design that encapsulates "anything that can be done" and a design that encapsulates "anything magical that can be done." They share nearly identical problems and benefits in a fantasy TTRPG. Heck, given the inherent exceptionality of a D&D PC, there's a case to be made that a 4e power is the latter! And in both cases, I think the issue is less to do with the subsystem itself than with the idea that the subsystem should be used exclusively (or nearly so). I mean, I think we're both in agreement that vigilance is warranted! The distinction between spells and powers is a distinction without much material difference. 4e powers had a LOT of very particular hangups and quirks and foibles and flaws. Spells do, too. Subsystems be subsysteming. Making everything supernatural into a spell is only different in some aesthetic details from making everything into a power. And the problem there as far as I can see is less about [I]spell [/I]or [I]power[/I], and more about the [I]everything[/I]. Blanket condemnations are useless for analysis. Specific details can be looked at in context and evaluated. None of the things you point out are the result of ignorance or malice.. Here in the land of 2024's species and spell-ifying things, that's also not a result of ignorance or malice. "5e is a hot mess" is a Reddit post, a tweet, a hot take, a catcall, a plea for attention, not a critique. [/QUOTE]
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