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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CreamCloud0" data-source="post: 9417572" data-attributes="member: 7034710">but powerful build is a species bonus, it's just a multiplier not a flat numerical one, i admit there might be an issue with the fact the trait doesn't affect all circumstances in which strength is used but i consider that a separate issue to be fixed, but with powerful build any given goliath of any given STR score will be stronger than any other medium non-powerful build species of equal STR be that from 8 to 20 STR.the fact that 'the strongest of the weak species' might be capable of outdoing 'the weakest of the strong species' holds water perfectly well, but the strongest goliath is still always going to far outdo the strongest halfling.edit: this is also why i've started advocating for solutions like natural advantage or reliable talent on certain species performing certain checks, it means a goliath will consistently have an above-average rate of success on STR checks, or impossible to totally bottom out a check barring a nat 1 in which case you've probably got other problems than their narrative of being strong wobbling.</blockquote>