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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9419534" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Oh no. A strength bonus? How terrible. And they used to be so distinct with their +1 strength more than Humans. It completely made them play entirely differently. I mean a variant human could take a feat and start with a 17 strength, and an orc could start with a 17 strength and have racial abilities. It was so obviously different from each other./sAnd they aren't complimentary, they lead to different styles of play. All orcs are going to lean into endurance and not going down, regardless of the situation. Humans are going to lean into having the correct tool for the correct job. Yeah, orcs lost Powerful Build, that doesn't mean that they are now impossible to contrast with humans.Why would I bother looking at Warhammer? Warhammer uses a completely different game system than DnD 5e? You may as well say "But look at Star Trek".<img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/9/97/Dwarfs.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> <img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/crossgoersdnd/images/5/5c/Dwarves.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /><img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/c/c6/High_Elves_Race.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />  <img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/6/6f/Elves_-_William_O%27Connor.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Ah yes, I see. Completely and totally different.I mean, I could believe you that you need to put back things Wizards took out... or I could believe Wizards in what they wrote. I mean, I am sure you have some deeply compelling evidence that all of this information, included in the playtest version of One DnD, and reflecting a new style and approach of the Species, while including the "of many worlds" information that WoTC repeatedly said were in the PHB isn't going to be included right? Something that really sells the idea that these two species will be bland, tasteless mush that is utterly impossible to tell apart? Something other than "Elves are not longer proficient in longswords and dwarves are no longer proficient in battleaxes!!!" Right? Maybe some evidence that ANY of the lore for ANY of the settings has changed?You can't imagine any possible comparisons between dwarves as merchants, with their focus on laws, number, and wealth, and elves, the traditionally free-spirited, commune living species? None at all? Now, sure, Orc sailors would be hard to distinguish from humans. I mean we humans are known for never building cities, living our lives entirely upon the open waters, relishing in the struggle against mighty storms and... oh wait, those things are pretty distinct from how the majority of humanity lives, isn't it? Huh. And yeah, none of the species are locked in. Might have something to do with that whole "multiverse" thing. I mean, when you have an infinite number of worlds, it would only make sense that everything is exactly identically the same between them right? Oh wait, its the opposite of that.</blockquote>

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