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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8170756" data-attributes="member: 2525">I counted the same three books for both editions. And since we both agree the Monster Manual is a core rulebook, expansions on it are rulebooks.Monster books are rulebooks. By any definition of that term, they are rulebooks. On what planet is expanding on one of the three core rulebooks (the monster manual) not a rulebook? Plus both Modenkainen's and Volo's have a lot more than just additional monsters in them. They are both full of additional rules. Are you seriously arguing that, for example, the new player subraces and races in Modenkainen's are not rules? That the new player races in Volo's are not rules?By that definition, I think 1e had one &quot;general rulebook&quot;. Are you seriously arguing the MM2 is not a general rulebook for 1e but the MM is a core rulebook? This is nonsense Max. If classes are rules (from PHB) then books which expand classes are rulebooks. If monsters are rules (from MM) then books which expand on monsters are rulebooks. Come on, you don't get to redefine this stuff to your own personal preferences and then claim you're right. There is no escaping that monsters are rules given it's a core book devoted to that topic. And it's a high demand product by the way as well, in all editions.Plus, again, both Volo's and Modenkainen's have more than just additional monsters in them. They are full of more rules on different topics. Just not the ones you wanted apparently.I am arguing 1e was slow and 3e was fast and 5e is the middle ground between 1e and 3e. If 5e has double the number of hardback books of 1e in half the time, that's definitely not the same speed, right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8170756, member: 2525"] I counted the same three books for both editions. And since we both agree the Monster Manual is a core rulebook, expansions on it are rulebooks. Monster books are rulebooks. By any definition of that term, they are rulebooks. On what planet is expanding on one of the three core rulebooks (the monster manual) not a rulebook? Plus both Modenkainen's and Volo's have a lot more than just additional monsters in them. They are both full of additional rules. Are you seriously arguing that, for example, the new player subraces and races in Modenkainen's are not rules? That the new player races in Volo's are not rules? By that definition, I think 1e had one "general rulebook". Are you seriously arguing the MM2 is not a general rulebook for 1e but the MM is a core rulebook? This is nonsense Max. If classes are rules (from PHB) then books which expand classes are rulebooks. If monsters are rules (from MM) then books which expand on monsters are rulebooks. Come on, you don't get to redefine this stuff to your own personal preferences and then claim you're right. There is no escaping that monsters are rules given it's a core book devoted to that topic. And it's a high demand product by the way as well, in all editions. Plus, again, both Volo's and Modenkainen's have more than just additional monsters in them. They are full of more rules on different topics. Just not the ones you wanted apparently. I am arguing 1e was slow and 3e was fast and 5e is the middle ground between 1e and 3e. If 5e has double the number of hardback books of 1e in half the time, that's definitely not the same speed, right? [/QUOTE]

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