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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9187221" data-attributes="member: 27957">Armor penetration is very much a late stage firearm quality, requiring some rather advanced sciences. When you're just flinging lead balls around at high speeds, good armor is very much effective. That's what spurred the development of the now iconic full plate armor. That's where we get the term "bulletproof"; armorers would test fire a pistol into their completed work, and the dent where the bullet failed to penetrate was the proof that it could withstand gunfire.It's these sorts of myths about the power of guns that have made them so hard to include in D&D. Too many people expect them to be punching through armor and sniping dragons from the sky, when in reality the selling points of early guns is that they were cheap and easy to use. You needed years of training and physical conditioning to be a good longbowman, but you could shove a musket in a peasant levee's hands and line them up and get a decent result. But no one wants "cheap peasant weapon" guns, they want the cool modern guns from John Wick, just like they want to make shield Fighter who's a knock off Captain America.</blockquote>