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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9196467" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>No, but you have to understand that if you are applying 5e rules, there is no roll unless 1) the outcome is in doubt AND there is a meaningful consequence for failure. The average person succeeds all the time in 5e because either the DC is like 2 or they just auto succeed because there's no real consequence for failure.</p><p></p><p>Now if said cook was trying to make a meal for the King, he'd probably have to roll. Not to succeed in making a meal, but to succeed at making a dish fine enough for a king.</p><p></p><p>Most people don't go into fields that they are bad at. Most PCs would do what they are good at and let other PCs do the things that they are bad at, excepting things like perception, knowledges and intuition where failure isn't going do anything negative. Failure to cook for a king might get you tossed out of the castle without what you came for, so the guy with no cooking tool proficiency and a negative to the roll probably is going to defer to the guy with both proficiency and a bonus.</p><p></p><p>And is fine for a nurse, but not for someone who is not just proficient, but very a very highly trained expert before being allowed to practice medicine(or law) on their own.</p><p></p><p>Sure, and that person wouldn't be with the general practitioner you are quoting above, they'd be with the specialist OBGYN that has +9 to +12 <strong>on average</strong>. An above average one would have +13 to +15. Kinda easy to make that DC 15 check for a specialist.</p><p></p><p>Edit: You are also overlooking all the help they get from nurses, and other specialists in the OR. They are rolling +9 to +12 on average WITH advantage.</p><p></p><p>There are renowned doctors that have a 5%-10% success rate. Why? Because they are the only ones that can do those surgeries with any chance of success. People go to them from all over the world to have a very low chance of success. Because with them there is a chance.</p><p></p><p>You mean the routine(very easy) or easy(easy) surgeries? I thought you were talking about the actually hard surgeries.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9196467, member: 23751"] No, but you have to understand that if you are applying 5e rules, there is no roll unless 1) the outcome is in doubt AND there is a meaningful consequence for failure. The average person succeeds all the time in 5e because either the DC is like 2 or they just auto succeed because there's no real consequence for failure. Now if said cook was trying to make a meal for the King, he'd probably have to roll. Not to succeed in making a meal, but to succeed at making a dish fine enough for a king. Most people don't go into fields that they are bad at. Most PCs would do what they are good at and let other PCs do the things that they are bad at, excepting things like perception, knowledges and intuition where failure isn't going do anything negative. Failure to cook for a king might get you tossed out of the castle without what you came for, so the guy with no cooking tool proficiency and a negative to the roll probably is going to defer to the guy with both proficiency and a bonus. And is fine for a nurse, but not for someone who is not just proficient, but very a very highly trained expert before being allowed to practice medicine(or law) on their own. Sure, and that person wouldn't be with the general practitioner you are quoting above, they'd be with the specialist OBGYN that has +9 to +12 [B]on average[/B]. An above average one would have +13 to +15. Kinda easy to make that DC 15 check for a specialist. Edit: You are also overlooking all the help they get from nurses, and other specialists in the OR. They are rolling +9 to +12 on average WITH advantage. There are renowned doctors that have a 5%-10% success rate. Why? Because they are the only ones that can do those surgeries with any chance of success. People go to them from all over the world to have a very low chance of success. Because with them there is a chance. You mean the routine(very easy) or easy(easy) surgeries? I thought you were talking about the actually hard surgeries. [/QUOTE]
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