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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5033632" data-attributes="member: 61155">Yeah, I do recall how Baldur's Gate and NWN bombed because they weren't the same system as the old SSI Gold Box games, or the old NWN online game... or, alternatively, that never happened.  Similarly, if a new Planescape game came out right this moment, and had all the flavor and story and excellence of Planescape: Torment (an impossible task, I know, but bear with me for a moment)... do you really think people would hate it because it wasn't using 2nd Ed rules?  Seriously, these games didn't rely on players being attached to one specific system in order to find an audience. People played because it was D&D. That remains true. And if the game itself is good, they will be happy with it, rather than distressed over it being different than a game from a decade ago.  I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to convince you of anything - especially given your continual claims that 4E has no fluff whatsoever, in complete denial of the actual books themselves. But I'm confident a 4E CRPG will come along eventually, and absolutely nothing you've predicted about it will in any way hold true.</blockquote>