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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 371219" data-attributes="member: 78">Heart of Nightfang Spire, cough, cough.  I don't see that much difference in deadliness between older adventures and newer ones.  I think that 3e has greater intrinsic danger.  Common orcs used to have a THACO of 20 and did base weapon damage.  Now typical orcs have +3 attack and do weapon damage +2.  AC seemed to be much more effective at preventing damage at lower levels in previous editions.  Pretty much the same equipment gets a much lower level of defense.  AC 0 against orcs in 1e isn't the same as AC 20 against orcs in 3e.  The orcs will hit more often and do more damage when they do.  Often times, monsters didn't do much damage because they didn't get strength bonuses.  A low level group in 1e can go toe to toe with baddies that would be dropping people in one hit and then cleaving in 3e.  So encounters of around the PCs level are more dangerous.Also, there are much better sure things in earlier editions.  Sleep spell verus 1 HD enemies = 4d4 out of the fight with no save.  When I drop that it the right time, I pretty much instantly win the battle single handed.  And since Elves are the most attractive PC race, it's more difficult to turn the tables.  In 3e, there's no way to drop enemies like that.  Not only does sleep hit fewer targets, but it also has a save now.  So not only are equal level fights more dangerous, but some of the PCs main weapons have been weakened.  Similarly, Stoneskin used to be an expensive, but exceptional defense.  It lasted all day and could stop any physical attack.  Now lasts for a few hours and knocks off 10 damage.Finally, there are situations when the PCs are outclassed.  I've found that PCs in 3e are outclassed much sooner.  Things go much more quickly from even fight to tough fight, to the no chance fight.  For example, a group of orcs used be a pretty easy fight, some ogres would be pretty tough, a mid level character could be the main boss.  Now you'd have a hard time getting a 1st level group past one ogre.  In earlier editions, a 9th level group could have a chance against just about anything in the book.  They might just scrape by and take some losses, but they might be able to do it.  Now, the same group would get pasted by many of the tings they used to beat.  So now the old potential TPK fights might now be instant death and the old tough fights can now be near TPK.</blockquote>

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