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<blockquote data-quote="covaithe" data-source="post: 4777091" data-attributes="member: 46559">Voda, I sat down this weekend to try to finally get Leng up to level 3 and pick his weapon.&nbsp; But...&nbsp; I'm having trouble with it, mostly because I'm not very excited about any of my choices.&nbsp; After some thought, I think the problem is that Leng's concept just isn't working for me in this setting.&nbsp; He's a fighter, without access to either shields or heavy armor.&nbsp; His AC is so low that he's not really much of a defender.&nbsp; With the weaksauce that is 2-handed weapons in 4e, he's not much of a striker.&nbsp; Without a shield and access to powers like shield bash or tide of iron, he's not much of a controller either.&nbsp; About all he can do is mark a target and use combat challenge.&nbsp; Which isn't nothing, but...&nbsp; I'm wondering if I can talk you into giving him a little love.&nbsp; I have two ideas:[sblock=idea 1:&nbsp; Stone Palm technique]The goal here is to try to make Leng a viable defender without breaking the setting too much.&nbsp; Here's the changes I have in mind:&nbsp; <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Leng switches from 2h to 1h weapon specialization.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> In place of shield proficiency, Leng gains the Stone Palm technique:&nbsp; through many years of rigorous toughening, he can use his bare hand to block incoming strikes.&nbsp; He gains +2 to AC and reflex when he has nothing in his off hand, and can use powers that require a shield.&nbsp; (Effectively as if he had a heavy shield, but without the check penalty.&nbsp; Though I'd take the check penalty, if I had to.)&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Instead of a magic weapon, Master Jiem gives Leng a set of magic scale armor made of interlocked lacquered leather plates.&nbsp; Probably Curseforged armor +1 (PHB, level 3).&nbsp; He picks up a non-magical longsword from the box.&nbsp;&nbsp; (Alternative possibility:&nbsp; Dwarven scale +1 (level 2), and a +1 magic longsword (level 1), though that might not be fair to the other players.)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Leng does a little extra retraining.&nbsp; He drops Sure Strike for Tide of Iron, and Reaping Strike for Crushing Surge, and loses the Power attack feat in favor of Improved Vigor.&nbsp; </li>
</ul>At the end of all this, Leng has a respectable 21 AC instead of his current 15, and I get some more enjoyable things to do in combat.&nbsp; [/sblock][sblock=idea 2: Leng, the destroyer![/sblock]Basically, rebuild Leng as a barbarian.&nbsp; Keep his background and personality intact, and probably his ability scores, even, but he's mechanically different from the ground up.&nbsp; He'd use hide armor and use a 2 handed weapon, probably an axe or a hammer.&nbsp; [/sblock]Thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="covaithe, post: 4777091, member: 46559"] Voda, I sat down this weekend to try to finally get Leng up to level 3 and pick his weapon. But... I'm having trouble with it, mostly because I'm not very excited about any of my choices. After some thought, I think the problem is that Leng's concept just isn't working for me in this setting. He's a fighter, without access to either shields or heavy armor. His AC is so low that he's not really much of a defender. With the weaksauce that is 2-handed weapons in 4e, he's not much of a striker. Without a shield and access to powers like shield bash or tide of iron, he's not much of a controller either. About all he can do is mark a target and use combat challenge. Which isn't nothing, but... I'm wondering if I can talk you into giving him a little love. I have two ideas: [sblock=idea 1: Stone Palm technique]The goal here is to try to make Leng a viable defender without breaking the setting too much. Here's the changes I have in mind: [list][*] Leng switches from 2h to 1h weapon specialization. [*] In place of shield proficiency, Leng gains the Stone Palm technique: through many years of rigorous toughening, he can use his bare hand to block incoming strikes. He gains +2 to AC and reflex when he has nothing in his off hand, and can use powers that require a shield. (Effectively as if he had a heavy shield, but without the check penalty. Though I'd take the check penalty, if I had to.) [*] Instead of a magic weapon, Master Jiem gives Leng a set of magic scale armor made of interlocked lacquered leather plates. Probably Curseforged armor +1 (PHB, level 3). He picks up a non-magical longsword from the box. (Alternative possibility: Dwarven scale +1 (level 2), and a +1 magic longsword (level 1), though that might not be fair to the other players.) [*] Leng does a little extra retraining. He drops Sure Strike for Tide of Iron, and Reaping Strike for Crushing Surge, and loses the Power attack feat in favor of Improved Vigor. [/list] At the end of all this, Leng has a respectable 21 AC instead of his current 15, and I get some more enjoyable things to do in combat. [/sblock] [sblock=idea 2: Leng, the destroyer![/sblock]Basically, rebuild Leng as a barbarian. Keep his background and personality intact, and probably his ability scores, even, but he's mechanically different from the ground up. He'd use hide armor and use a 2 handed weapon, probably an axe or a hammer. [/sblock] Thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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