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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9095597" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Exactly. This guy remembers being a teenager!</p><p></p><p>The RPGs and books we bought at 15+ (and even a little before that) were the ones that seemed to be aimed at adults, and stuff that seemed to be aimed at kids, even about kids our age, just profoundly didn't get us, man (one of the biggest misses being Cybergeneration by Mike Pondsmith - we'd absolutely loved every part of Cyberpunk 2020, and then Cybergeneration basically is Mike Pondsmith proving that he does not remember being a child, let alone a teenager, AT ALL, as someone adults weirdly seem not to.</p><p></p><p>I strongly disagree. It's PG, not PG13 - that's the real problem here. Spelljammer in 2022 is exactly like it was in 1990 or whenever - super-cool if you're 12-14, unspeakably lame and awful if you're say, 16-18.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Witchlight yes. That's more like it and it shows they can get it. Though it slightly lacks bite/edge from what bits I've read.</p><p></p><p>Radiant Citadel is purely aimed at proving WotC are diverse (they aren't) and can celebrate diverse cultures (they can, but they usually don't) and so on. The problem is it's BORING AS HELL, because it's trying to be purely positive. It is most possibly the most profoundly boring setting/set of adventures that I've ever seen. If you look at work actually being produced by younger authors, it's approximately a thousand times more edgy and real and critical in its approach than Radiant Citadel. I think, even as ultra-left, way before-my-time kid (on every social issue), I would have balked at Radiant Citadel, just for it being boring. It's representation, which is cool, but it's not more than that - it's just representation, not a real change. And there won't be real change whilst the same WotC lifers are in charge of every department.</p><p></p><p>Disney has put out a couple of movies along similar lines, and stone cold guarantee people won't be going "How great was Raya and the Last Dragon?" in 10 years, they'll be going "That movie bored me senseless as a kid and had nothing to say and no style". This isn't true of all of Disney's recent output - I expect Encanto to survive the test of time - but it genuinely has more real edge, more to say about real people and relationships, than, say, Last Dragon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9095597, member: 18"] Exactly. This guy remembers being a teenager! The RPGs and books we bought at 15+ (and even a little before that) were the ones that seemed to be aimed at adults, and stuff that seemed to be aimed at kids, even about kids our age, just profoundly didn't get us, man (one of the biggest misses being Cybergeneration by Mike Pondsmith - we'd absolutely loved every part of Cyberpunk 2020, and then Cybergeneration basically is Mike Pondsmith proving that he does not remember being a child, let alone a teenager, AT ALL, as someone adults weirdly seem not to. I strongly disagree. It's PG, not PG13 - that's the real problem here. Spelljammer in 2022 is exactly like it was in 1990 or whenever - super-cool if you're 12-14, unspeakably lame and awful if you're say, 16-18. Witchlight yes. That's more like it and it shows they can get it. Though it slightly lacks bite/edge from what bits I've read. Radiant Citadel is purely aimed at proving WotC are diverse (they aren't) and can celebrate diverse cultures (they can, but they usually don't) and so on. The problem is it's BORING AS HELL, because it's trying to be purely positive. It is most possibly the most profoundly boring setting/set of adventures that I've ever seen. If you look at work actually being produced by younger authors, it's approximately a thousand times more edgy and real and critical in its approach than Radiant Citadel. I think, even as ultra-left, way before-my-time kid (on every social issue), I would have balked at Radiant Citadel, just for it being boring. It's representation, which is cool, but it's not more than that - it's just representation, not a real change. And there won't be real change whilst the same WotC lifers are in charge of every department. Disney has put out a couple of movies along similar lines, and stone cold guarantee people won't be going "How great was Raya and the Last Dragon?" in 10 years, they'll be going "That movie bored me senseless as a kid and had nothing to say and no style". This isn't true of all of Disney's recent output - I expect Encanto to survive the test of time - but it genuinely has more real edge, more to say about real people and relationships, than, say, Last Dragon. [/QUOTE]
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