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<blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9110121" data-attributes="member: 6801776"><p>What are we even saving from the old ones?</p><p></p><p>Har'Akir has a city now, which was.... Basically implied by the number of Egyptian-themed critters in every single. Seriously, you could not find a place for all of those Egyptian critters in the domain as written in 2E</p><p>Falkovnia was trying to be Historical Vlad, where there really isn't any player facing horror other than 'Oh he's a jerk and oops your druid has set a bear on him but we buffed him to stupid levels and his whole thing is being grumpy that he can't invade other places, which are far more advanced and this setting does not logically function how are people not trading technology" which. How is the players suppose to interact with this? Whereas "Endless zombie apocalypse and a general endlessly sacrificing their people" is at least something the players can, y'know. Interact with.</p><p>I'Cath was a glorified advertisement for Kara Tur, and it was also just referencing the movie "A Chinese Ghost Story", because that's all Tsien Chiang was. Her ruining everything in an unobtainable dream at least does something rather than a reference to a comedy movie that, let's be honest, has a liiiiitle bit less pop-culture impact than say, Dracula</p><p>Sri Raji isn't around any more , which is frankly good given how it handles "Actually worshipped IRL goddess Kali". Just saying, actual IRL goddess who's thing is destroying Evil (and sometimes going a bit too far) is probably not the goddess you want involved in that. This one was unsalvagable and deserved to be destroyed, continuity be damned. Seriously, the whole gimmick of it was "Welcome to Ravenloft, they don't like outsiders" which was.... Oh, wait. Basically the gimmick of every other bloody domain. Except this time it was India and not pop-culture Transylvania</p><p>Urik was "Yup its another vampire (But this time there's a bit werepanther) just in a slightly different area. Changing it to "Congratulations its now the Deadliest Game" makes it unique and not just "Strahd but this time he's looking for a furry (to avoid that whole 'wife finds out about the werepanther curse and gets murdered' by her being into it)".</p><p>I don't even remember what original Dementleiu was, but the revamp has its whole themes of facade</p><p>Also like, Lamordia. Just a big case of "First time reading Frakenkstein and not realising that Frankenstein is the monster, not Adam", plus its weird anti-athiest tone it took. Viktra goes far more with the Hammer horror feel plus, y'know. Makes Frankenstein the monster and her creation somewhat innocent (i mean she stole corpses but, look)</p><p>The Dreamlands losing its, frankly, downright racist use of "Yeah those are entirely Australian Aboriginals" and, once again, actual IRL creator spirit the Rainbow Serpent being repurposed as "Spooky big bad nightmare creature" alongside a bunch of made ups was always One Hell Of a Look</p><p></p><p>I mean I gues you may want the Red Wizard flavour from old Hazlan as opposed to the "Weird magic" one it has at the moment. But what's worth it from these settings that the new ones won't do the trick? Did enough people care that much about a Ravenloft that isn't even big enough to support people with the farmland it was supposed to have?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mecheon, post: 9110121, member: 6801776"] What are we even saving from the old ones? Har'Akir has a city now, which was.... Basically implied by the number of Egyptian-themed critters in every single. Seriously, you could not find a place for all of those Egyptian critters in the domain as written in 2E Falkovnia was trying to be Historical Vlad, where there really isn't any player facing horror other than 'Oh he's a jerk and oops your druid has set a bear on him but we buffed him to stupid levels and his whole thing is being grumpy that he can't invade other places, which are far more advanced and this setting does not logically function how are people not trading technology" which. How is the players suppose to interact with this? Whereas "Endless zombie apocalypse and a general endlessly sacrificing their people" is at least something the players can, y'know. Interact with. I'Cath was a glorified advertisement for Kara Tur, and it was also just referencing the movie "A Chinese Ghost Story", because that's all Tsien Chiang was. Her ruining everything in an unobtainable dream at least does something rather than a reference to a comedy movie that, let's be honest, has a liiiiitle bit less pop-culture impact than say, Dracula Sri Raji isn't around any more , which is frankly good given how it handles "Actually worshipped IRL goddess Kali". Just saying, actual IRL goddess who's thing is destroying Evil (and sometimes going a bit too far) is probably not the goddess you want involved in that. This one was unsalvagable and deserved to be destroyed, continuity be damned. Seriously, the whole gimmick of it was "Welcome to Ravenloft, they don't like outsiders" which was.... Oh, wait. Basically the gimmick of every other bloody domain. Except this time it was India and not pop-culture Transylvania Urik was "Yup its another vampire (But this time there's a bit werepanther) just in a slightly different area. Changing it to "Congratulations its now the Deadliest Game" makes it unique and not just "Strahd but this time he's looking for a furry (to avoid that whole 'wife finds out about the werepanther curse and gets murdered' by her being into it)". I don't even remember what original Dementleiu was, but the revamp has its whole themes of facade Also like, Lamordia. Just a big case of "First time reading Frakenkstein and not realising that Frankenstein is the monster, not Adam", plus its weird anti-athiest tone it took. Viktra goes far more with the Hammer horror feel plus, y'know. Makes Frankenstein the monster and her creation somewhat innocent (i mean she stole corpses but, look) The Dreamlands losing its, frankly, downright racist use of "Yeah those are entirely Australian Aboriginals" and, once again, actual IRL creator spirit the Rainbow Serpent being repurposed as "Spooky big bad nightmare creature" alongside a bunch of made ups was always One Hell Of a Look I mean I gues you may want the Red Wizard flavour from old Hazlan as opposed to the "Weird magic" one it has at the moment. But what's worth it from these settings that the new ones won't do the trick? Did enough people care that much about a Ravenloft that isn't even big enough to support people with the farmland it was supposed to have? [/QUOTE]
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